slow floppy boot

Sony Crash bash (psx)
January 3, 2010 at 08:41:53
Specs: wxp, n/a
I'm experiencing a very slow boot from floppy (3inch USB floppy drive), when booting to either DOS or WindowsXP.

He eithers display nothing (black screen with cursor blinking), or he says "MS-DOS loading...".

But, he does this for 15 minutes +

Any idea what is wrong ?


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#1
January 3, 2010 at 09:21:09
I would try a different floppy. Floppies have a life span and can be easily corrupted.

I would also test the floppy drive and disk in another computer to make sure it is working.

If so then the problem could be memory or other hardware problems.


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#2
January 3, 2010 at 09:32:37
I have different floppies, and they seem to behave all the same. They all used to work, now they all don't seem to work.

I'll test the floppy on itself (in a HD booted Windows), and run some CHKDSK's. I know that these floppies are notorious for bad sectors. But, they can't all be failing at the same time.

But, ... I see there are some issues with USB ports .. they occasionally don't work. Some devices always work, others sometimes fail to work (ie my USB hub). I noticed before that my computer seems to have problems providing power to USB ports ... floppy drive may be first to notice.

Still, using my USB floppy on boot, he does say he recognises it, the led goes on, I hear it work ...


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#3
January 3, 2010 at 09:49:09
Well, I have never used a USB floppy drive. I will say that 15 minutes seems too long to access the disk.

Check the BIOS settings to verify you have a setting enabled to boot to USB floppy drive and not some other USB device.


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#4
January 3, 2010 at 10:12:45
I have a box of over 200 floppies that error out. They were formatted in dos 3 and 6.2 win 3.1 and 95. Xp uses a different format. The disk just need to be reformatted. LOL!

My desktop sits on the floor. Dust can get into the usb ports making the port unusable until cleaned....just a thought as to intermittent failures.

You can get a fresh copy (free) of boot disk at bootdisk.com

I too use a usb floppy drive....love it as a lot of computers
on the market no longer have the 3.5 drives .

Wish I had a 5 1/4 usb as well.



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#5
January 3, 2010 at 10:30:15
OK, I'll check ... I used these exact disks before, I KNOW they work!

I can access the drive from within a normal booted Windows all right. Cannot check disk however..


A:\>dir
Volume in drive A is PKBACK# 002
Volume Serial Number is 4463-17F1

Directory of A:\

30/09/1993 06:20 54.619 COMMAND.COM
18/04/2002 18:28 <DIR> DEVICE
30/09/1993 06:20 22.916 FORMAT.COM
28/06/2001 22:54 4.130 DateVars.bat
30/09/1993 06:20 15.750 KEYB.COM
30/09/1993 06:20 9.432 SYS.COM
29/03/2002 03:41 698 AUTOEXEC.BAT
30/09/1993 06:20 12.241 CHKDSK.EXE
30/09/1993 06:20 79.177 DEFRAG.EXE
30/09/1993 06:20 119.761 SCANDISK.EXE
30/09/1993 06:20 16.930 XCOPY.EXE
18/04/2002 18:21 482 CONFIG.SYS
18/04/2002 18:30 <DIR> TEMP
23/04/1999 22:22 25.473 MSCDEX.EXE
30/09/1993 06:20 413 EDIT.COM
13 File(s) 362.022 bytes
2 Dir(s) 890.368 bytes free

A:\>chkdsk A:
Incorrect DOS version

Instead of using CHKDSK, try using SCANDISK. SCANDISK can reliably detect
and fix a much wider range of disk problems. For more information,
type HELP SCANDISK from the command prompt.


A:\>scandisk A:

This version of Microsoft ScanDisk will work only with MS-DOS versions 6 and
6.20.

A:\>


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#6
January 3, 2010 at 10:40:14
So you are trying to install MS DOS on a modern computer?

What is response #5 about?


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#7
January 3, 2010 at 13:42:04
That one is to avoid questions like : Can you read the floppy ? Is the floppy drive working ? Is it a bootable floppy disc ? etc. etc.

The floppy in question may contain files from DOS. Shouldn't that work ? I mean, not in Windows, but when I would boot from it ... ?


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#8
January 3, 2010 at 13:49:07
Not necessarily.

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#9
January 3, 2010 at 13:55:53
I understand, but would it be logically that he would stay loading "something", without displaying any message at all ?

Not all disks are like that, some would boot into Windows (XP), and they behave the same, although different content on the floppy of course.

I'll just try to see what happens with a non-bootable floppy.

If I don't return, there was a virus on there ;)


edit: booting with non-bootable disk immediately comes back with message : This is not a bootable disk.


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#10
January 3, 2010 at 14:10:12
This disk was created recently, also fails to boot:


C:\>chkdsk A: /F
The type of the file system is FAT.
Volume Serial Number is 2A87-6CE1
Windows is verifying files and folders...
File and folder verification is complete.
Windows has checked the file system and found no problems.

1.457.664 bytes total disk space.
415.744 bytes in 5 hidden files.
579.584 bytes in 15 files.
462.336 bytes available on disk.

512 bytes in each allocation unit.
2.847 total allocation units on disk.
903 allocation units available on disk.

C:\>dir A:
Volume in drive A has no label.
Volume Serial Number is 2A87-6CE1

Directory of A:\

18/04/2005 17:54 93.040 COMMAND.COM
18/04/2005 17:54 17.175 DISPLAY.SYS
18/04/2005 17:54 58.870 EGA.CPI
18/04/2005 17:54 58.870 EGA2.CPI
18/04/2005 17:54 58.753 EGA3.CPI
18/04/2005 03:04 21.607 KEYB.COM
18/04/2005 17:54 34.566 KEYBOARD.SYS
18/04/2005 17:54 31.942 KEYBRD2.SYS
18/04/2005 17:54 31.633 KEYBRD3.SYS
18/04/2005 17:54 13.014 KEYBRD4.SYS
18/04/2005 17:54 29.239 MODE.COM
01/01/2009 13:21 0 AUTOEXEC.BAT
01/01/2009 13:21 0 CONFIG.SYS
23/04/1999 21:22 69.902 EDIT.COM
31/12/2008 00:23 58.368 MbrFix.exe
15 File(s) 576.979 bytes
0 Dir(s) 462.336 bytes free

C:\>


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#11
January 3, 2010 at 14:23:14
Go to a computer store and buy a floppy drive cleaning kit.
That has a floppy made of fabric, a bottle of liquid, then you drop 2 drops on the floppy, then run the drive with floppy in it.

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#12
January 3, 2010 at 14:45:42
Maybe it would help if you explained what you are trying to do with these Win95/98?DOS??? floppys on a machine with Win XP installed.

XP should be able to read them for content. If your HDD is formatted NTFS the floppys will do nothing.

There is nothing to learn from someone who already agrees with you.


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#13
January 3, 2010 at 14:51:16
> Go to a computer store and buy a floppy drive
> cleaning kit.
> That has a floppy made of fabric, a bottle of liquid,
> then you drop 2 drops on the floppy, then run the
> drive with floppy in it.
>

How come I can read all of the floppies, and boot from none ?


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#14
January 3, 2010 at 14:54:48
> Maybe it would help if you explained what you are trying
> to do with these Win95/98?DOS??? floppys on a machine
> with Win XP installed.
>
> XP should be able to read them for content. If your HDD
> is formatted NTFS the floppys will do nothing.
>

I can read the content of each of the floppies. My primary HD is indeed an NTFS, I know I cannot access that one. But that is not the issue, I cannot boot, let alone try to access my C drive when booted.

Just a reminder, but I created (some) of these floppies on this very computer, with the XP installation I am currently running, and I could boot into both Windows, and DOS (don't know which DOS), but it whas the one I was booted in when creating this thread : http://www.computing.net/answers/wi...

... and I'm using the same disks.


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#15
January 3, 2010 at 15:02:03
CREATE BOOT DISK:

http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...
How to use System files to create a boot disk to guard against being unable to start Windows XP

http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...
Creating a boot disk for an NTFS or FAT partition

http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...
HOW TO: Create a Boot Disk for an NTFS or FAT Partition in Windows XP


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#16
January 3, 2010 at 15:07:07
Not that again ... I have a couple of XP bootdisks ... and they

d
o
n
t

w
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k

And they used to.


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#17
January 3, 2010 at 19:33:02
And your boot order is A: cdrom C:
Not cdrom C: A:
or C: cdrom A:

This is a brain teaser........LOL


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#18
January 4, 2010 at 02:18:26
No-no, order is OK, otherwise they wouldn't react that way:
- bootdisk : hang
- non-boot disk : no-bootdisk mesage
- no disk : regular windows startup


Found the issue ... ! Unplugged both keyboard and mouse (the only USB connections apart from the USB floppy), reboot PC, and he is nicely reading each of the disks.

It seems like USB power is unsuffiecient for the floppy drive ..


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#19
January 4, 2010 at 03:08:06
Just another reason to install an internal floppy drive. USB sucks.

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#20
January 4, 2010 at 08:44:51
I partly agree, it's very universal, but it's slow (also 2.0), and power can apparently be a problem.

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#21
January 4, 2010 at 10:09:23
Connecting multiple different devices to the same port/controller can cause things to quit working, and quite often does.

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#22
January 4, 2010 at 12:40:17
Yes, but

- It didn't stop working, it worked halfly ... in Windows, all worked fine. During boot process, apparently not
- Each device had its own USB connector (no USB hub involved even)


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#23
January 4, 2010 at 12:46:28
I understand your problem may not be caused by the USB connection but by a dirty drive read head. Or maybe not?

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#24
January 5, 2010 at 02:59:32
Nothing indicates that way, I know how dirty drives and bad floppies react, and I have seen nothing like that.

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#25
February 4, 2010 at 03:12:02
Narrowed it down to the USB keyboard (Apple) : if this one is connected during boot, my floppy does not work.

When USB keyboard is removed on boot, booting with floppy works.

After the boot (with floppy) I can connect my keyboard, and this one works then.


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