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Name: Kloppstock
Date: September 25, 2008 at 14:32:20 Pacific
OS: Win XP
CPU/Ram: 2 Gb
Product: IntelĀ® 955X Express Chip
Comment:

..start menu ;)

What may be the sign when all your desktop icons becomes broken (shows in white you know) when you minimize to tray, and then starts to reload the destop pictures wery slowly 1 after 1, and your are moore or less handicapped during the whait for them to show picture

Another "great" symthom is that wery often per day the start menu hangs up when trying to acces it, whole bar shows as white again, after perhaps 30 sec it release the lagg and then you can extend it first

is it a wrong spreaded hosfile perhaps who are the causer? cause i have experimenting some there, but dont know how it affect really

Im absolutley convinsed that this will go away if i would reinstall XP, but i wanna avoid it as long as possible, therefore im placing it in this forum,
cause there is no hardware problem, like memory-stick not enough attached or anything like that



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Response Number 1
Name: superyutz
Date: September 25, 2008 at 15:32:17 Pacific
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Microsoft has a support page on this....
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q13...
Read this CAREFULLY.....The fixes will effect the REGISTRY, and this could permanently damage your system if you don't know what you are doing! Proceed with caution............

Superyutz' Renderings
Nottingham, MD. 21236

Tech Support for the Common Man


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Response Number 2
Name: OtheHill
Date: September 25, 2008 at 15:46:52 Pacific
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Your computer may be infected with malware/spyware or simply too many temp files.

Try CCleaner for a start.


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Response Number 3
Name: Kloppstock
Date: September 26, 2008 at 02:57:15 Pacific
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I have tested the microsoft method

if this is correctley done will say?
http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?...

the first steps didnt help anyhow, so i have searched for "ShellIconCache" in the registry to delete that as manual suggest, but i cannot find that item at all, and thei dont specify its location, wonder if i have a problem when i dont have that file longer in my OS installation?
what shall i do? perhaps i can add that line somewhere

I check for malware with Spybot S&D, Adaware, AVG and A Squared, and thei dont find anything exept some tracking cookies as usual
CC cleaner i have used before, and it caused me some problems..deleted to mutch, i use the small freeware "discleaner" instead, dont you think it can do a similar works as CC cleaner can? i use it daily


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Response Number 4
Name: OtheHill
Date: September 26, 2008 at 05:20:47 Pacific
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You can mark cookies you want to keep as exceptions in CCleaner. Other than that I haven't found it to remove anything necessary.

I'm not familiar with discleaner so I can't comment on it's abilities.


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Response Number 5
Name: Kloppstock
Date: September 26, 2008 at 05:53:47 Pacific
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allwrighty, but honestley cookies is not causing the problem i have
so i re-send out a wanted prefererable related to my previous post


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Response Number 6
Name: OtheHill
Date: September 26, 2008 at 06:31:25 Pacific
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If the problem isn't too old maybe a system restore would be in order?


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Response Number 7
Name: OtheHill
Date: September 26, 2008 at 06:37:55 Pacific
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Go to kellys-korner and search under the I heading for Icons - Repair View

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_...


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Response Number 8
Name: Kloppstock
Date: September 26, 2008 at 10:43:02 Pacific
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The problem is so old..unfortentley :)

"I heading for icon - Repair View"

Im having hugh issues to find inside Kelly :) im not sure how many words from the quote you wanna be to include when searching for a alpabetic order, everything is starting on "A" in the direct link god damn it :P and i dont find it under "R" bar either lol, but i took the intiative atleast

Im skilled in the art of being blind, can i ask you for one moore favor therefore please, can you take a desktop snapshot of that area and post here? or tell me if its located high up or low in the windows scroll-list to the right on that page

i must find it! :P


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Response Number 9
Name: OtheHill
Date: September 26, 2008 at 11:00:29 Pacific
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On the home page click on the I for Icon then scroll down to Repair View.


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Response Number 10
Name: Kloppstock
Date: September 27, 2008 at 03:18:29 Pacific
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I found it, thanks all

cause that fixed the whole problem


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Response Number 11
Name: OtheHill
Date: September 27, 2008 at 07:06:15 Pacific
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You are welcome.


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Response Number 12
Name: Kloppstock
Date: September 29, 2008 at 03:07:47 Pacific
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Seems like i was to rash to claim victory
cause the problem have made comeback now :(

darn :)


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Response Number 13
Name: Kloppstock
Date: September 29, 2008 at 07:27:00 Pacific
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Update

I got a yellow tray message now, which i have seen before during my latest windows installation only

"Windows - value for minimum virtual memory is to low"

and the rest i hade not time to catch, but it basicly said that windows will now try to extend the "pagefile"? (is that the translation for "gear-file", direct translated?)
i have mixed with the pagefile size and placement, can it be the whole problem here why my icons and sart menu is so slow?


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Response Number 14
Name: OtheHill
Date: September 29, 2008 at 09:43:57 Pacific
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Best to allow Windows to set the page file size automatically. If your partition is too full the page file can become too small.


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Response Number 15
Name: Kloppstock
Date: September 29, 2008 at 15:49:35 Pacific
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I got recomended by someone that it whas enough to set 10-10 mb to C:\ system, so it atleast could write system dumps, that is what i have now
and then putted the big size pagefile to another harddrive, i have given it 1000 mb to my G:\ drive which have 30 Gb free

and if i understood it right it will share this from (G) to all my drives when its nessesary? and i have 5 drives totally
(with little space free on exept this G:\)

is 1000 to little?

I see 2 solutions, yes either i lett windows control and steal away 3000 Mb from C:\...a driver which have 1.5 Gb free only, and i can't clean it up cause its only nessesary programs there and windows

or i could increase the pagefile size on G:\ to a higher value?


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Response Number 16
Name: OtheHill
Date: September 29, 2008 at 16:12:23 Pacific
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If you only have 1.5GB of free space on your C partition you need to free up some space.

Move your personal files to a floder on a partition with more space. If that doesn't free up enough space then uninstall programs from the C partition and re-install on a partition with enough space.


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Response Number 17
Name: Kloppstock
Date: September 30, 2008 at 05:15:58 Pacific
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Ok, i guess i must try do as you say here

but if i have moore space on C:\ does it then matter if i still keep the big pagefile on G:\ instead, is it true that its spreads where needed?
and that C:\ can survice with 10-10? if it have free space?

and how mutch free space do thei recommend for C:\?


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Response Number 18
Name: OtheHill
Date: September 30, 2008 at 05:51:19 Pacific
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Just let Windows set all the page files. If you are that short on space then add another drive or off load some stuff.

What size drive/s are currently in use?

Windows needs a minimum of 15% of disk capacity to run defrag. If you have less than that you need to correct the situation before you have problems. With no extra space on the drives your system will run slower because Windows will need to hunt for places to write new data. The data will become more and more fragmented. Eventually the OS will fail to boot.


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Response Number 19
Name: Kloppstock
Date: September 30, 2008 at 11:25:28 Pacific
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ok i will do that

you said "drives" there, i have now free'd up around 15 % on C:\ but i have 3 other drives that is way under 15%, thei are under 5 %
are thei included in that fail to booth calculation?
or do you only talk about c:\ free space as the trigger for the dissaster?
(and i have this :G drive on 30 Gb free allso)


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Response Number 20
Name: OtheHill
Date: September 30, 2008 at 15:43:42 Pacific
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I didn't say that having less than 15% free would result in boot failure.

I said you need 15% or more free space to run Windows properly.

If you can't periodically run defrag eventually you disk will get so crapped up you won't be able to access it. There are no hard and fast rules about this. However, WinXP will not run disk defragmentation at all without the 15% free space.

You didn't provide the information requested about drive/partiton sizes.


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Response Number 21
Name: Kloppstock
Date: October 1, 2008 at 02:17:33 Pacific
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I have hade way under 15% on C:\ until yesterday
and i have been able to run defragment every week, both windows own defrag and with Perfect disc, and i get exellent disc health results in the statistic afterwards
but i guess that other consequenses is what i have seen now with this slow icons, even thou there have been no warnings

1: but you still didnt answer if the 15% health only concerns the system drive ;) of if all drives under 15% helps drag it down?

2: There is a annoying problems when letting windows sett the size self, and that is that it sett the value way over what it self recomends for all units,
it recomends 3070, but instead auto sett it to 4090
therefore you may wanna manually sett it 3070 beacuse you feel that windows dont know how he acts compared to his talk
the problem is then that i can't manually sett it to 3070 cause there is not enough space on C:\ it claims, but as soon as letting windows do it auto there is room for 4090 all of a sudden! but not 3070 :/

which makes you think, "ah he have only spreaded the 4090 out over all drives even thou nothing indicated so in the setting windows"
but there is no clue where he have placed thoose 4090 that dont fit into C:\, untill you see in windows explorer that there is now only 600 Mb free on C:\ while all other drives are untouched
so he have accually placed all on C:\ with some challenge-magic the user dont have
or a bug shows wrong numbers in windows here?

without words it can look like this
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?...

C:\ is on 10 Gb, its a splitted driver from D:\ accually who owns the rest of 223 Gb

so what im saying is, i want to go for the recomended value but windows xp wont let me, yes im sure i accually choosed C:\ when manually added


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Response Number 22
Name: OtheHill
Date: October 1, 2008 at 06:20:09 Pacific
Reply:

I guess I wasn't clear enough with my response. ANY partition that has less than 15% free space can't be defragged using the MSoft tools. How problematic that is can be debated.

Are there multiple users sharing this computer? Have you considered using a partitioning utility to resize the C drive? Be sure to backup data first if you decide to proceed with that.

A larger, or additional drive would solve your problems.

You can use a swap file on a different partition and that used to be recommended for speed. The swap file may not be in use very often, if at all with 2GB of RAM. That depends on what size files you work with.


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Response Number 23
Name: Kloppstock
Date: October 2, 2008 at 13:24:30 Pacific
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No im the only user on this computer
im not skilled enough to perform partitioning resize on my own, becides if i take Gb from D:\ who can control that it doesnt delete data from D:\? the disc is to big to burn and empty i can feel

I dont wanna experience with swap files self when i dont understand what it does in english lol

1: Gonna have to go back to this, do you understand how windows can auto-place a bigger size pagefile on C:\ than the rejected smaller value (recomended=) i manually sett to C:\ ?

2: I cant accept auto 4000 mb when windows at the same time recomends only 3000
i have given 3000 to G:\ therefore, and again walked back to 10 on C:\
but overall its an increase of 1500 since before
but that must be ok right? otherwise it finally proves that i must have the pagefile on C:\ only?


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Response Number 24
Name: OtheHill
Date: October 2, 2008 at 13:34:40 Pacific
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If you want to manually set the page file then to so. As I stated above in#22, because you have 2GB of RAM the page file may not be used too often. It depends on what type of files you work with.

Your concern should be backups. When dealing with hard drive the question isn't if your hard drive fails but WHEN it fails. All mechanical things break. Also WinXP can crap out on you at any time.

You have been forewarned. Backup your personal files.


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Response Number 25
Name: Kloppstock
Date: October 2, 2008 at 13:45:26 Pacific
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Yes and the question is still if G:\ can take the pagefile as good as C:\ :)

im backuping data all the time, i will never complete that project offcore, but i can save alot, but this concerns the other drives

cause i have nothing of value on the system drive, and its the less free size of C:\ that screws things up
but the question whas how mutch the pagefile possibly affect slow icon views


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Response Number 26
Name: OtheHill
Date: October 2, 2008 at 15:42:15 Pacific
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I don't know the answer to that last question. My gut suspicion is that the page file would have little to do with the icon issue but I can't say with any authority.

Have you run a virus check?

I am assisting in another thread here at CN and that person had extremely slow response times. They just posted that when logging in under a different user profile the lagging was not longer present.

So your problem might be profile specific. If you login as administrator do you still have the same issues?


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Response Number 27
Name: Kloppstock
Date: October 5, 2008 at 05:45:21 Pacific
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Yes, there is no virus

I dont have any other profile unfortentley, i assume some personal-data will not be included in the new one, and it feels energy-hard to burn and move over the stuff? :)
im a bit unsure what items it i will loose

Yes the resoponce time was nothing when logged in with safe mode as administrator, as expected, well isnt it allways like that, but its impossible to track what programs that dint autostart with login that may be the problem, if it now is that


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Response Number 28
Name: OtheHill
Date: October 5, 2008 at 06:48:05 Pacific
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Just create a new profile to test if the same problem appears in the new profile.


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