I dont need a lecture of what it is and when it was invented I was using ti when most so called comp wiz kids of today were still a thought in their parents head. Son pls tell me why does xp has dos base capability to run command based apps ? im sure its not just to run ping command and give ones isp servers a hard time. I have no doubt that Dos will be used for quiet some time yet. You sound like a person with good knowledge since you souind like your know your way arround COBOL how did you do with ADRS ? regards

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>> I was using ti when most so called comp wiz kids of today were still a thought in their parents head. << So was I and I'm glad to see the back of it. >> Son pls tell me why does xp has dos base capability to run command based apps ?<< It doesn't. It has a command line emulator. Not the same thing. Most if not all GUI based OSs have a command line function of some sort. Windowx NT had one but still no DOS. I don't know my way around COBOL. Spent an hour with it and found something better to do with my time. Learnt Z80 assembler instead. Never heard of ADRS. Stuart

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Appology about the son bit that was ment to read So tell me not Son tell me. Compaq keyboards hate them. Dos loved it still do . Command line emmulator very true based on what ??? lets not get into that argument !!! NT was big flop regrdles of its stability. ADRS = A DEPARTMENTAL REPORTING SYTEM based on the old APL = A PROGRMAING LANGUGAE used on minfrmame's if you remember the old IBM mainframe terminals and keyboards which had the apl command switch for high level programming, most powerfull programming language ever. (my opinion) Simly saying you talk to the comp in its own language, eliminated the use of a compiler. Pity you conside COBOL a waste of time, I didnt but to some extent I understand. You should have a look at SAS also wasent bad at all. And i still recommend to people to have a play with DOS and learn it will give most people a better insight of how things work. Why are we affraid of old technology, most times it was better and had better logic behind them that morden day stuff. ( so to speak ) regards

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Hmm, I just can't help myself, I have to post. First, I also have to agree with Stuart. I believe that DOS as it existed 'pre Windows 98' is dead and on it's way out. That said, that doesn't mean that the black and white environment we love so much is gone forever. It just means that while DOS is dead, it lives on through it's predecessor, the Command Interpreter built into Windows 2000, XP, and I'm sure, Longhorn. The Command Interpreter is a great way to write scripts that interact with Windows, but it isn't DOS and shouldn't be referred to or seen as such. It's a heck of a lot better, meaning quicker and more useful for today's versions of Windows. On a side note, saying that "[Windows] NT was big flop regrdles of its stability" says one of two things to me. Either you never used NT and are just bashing it like people who never use XP bash XP, or you define 'big flop' differently than everyone else. Many companies out there still use NT machines, and Windows 2000 and XP are easily identified as the decendents of Windows NT. That would be why they are referred to as the 'NT kernel' family. DOS is dead, but the idea that was DOS lives on, so let's move on. After all, you're not still driving a 1970 Volkswagen bug just because it was reliable and you could put a billion miles on it, are you?

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well, i did it in xp and after you get to the right tools it's easy. i'm studying for my certification exam and there are a majority of windows machines out there but still few that hang on to dos, so for now we need to know both. i used to love DOS but it is dying and old. at first i could've wished that some person would buy a copy of win me/xp and beat bill with the box it came in, but not now. in my xp pro i do not get 1 blue screen or any hang-ups and i have not had to set any IROs - I/Os or any of that and i have alot of powerful hardware in this box. it is the best, most efficient OS i have had since 98se. more secure than win 2k and fast fast fast. the only crappy thing is if you format/clean install alot like i do then it's that cursed ACTIVATION CRAP! we that bought xp ought to be totally free to do with it what we will, i'm looking into this.

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You never bought any software that was totaly free to do what you want with. All you bought was a license to use it according to the EULA. Its been like that ever since the first computer programme was ever written. The only difference is that with product activation there is now a way of enforcing the lisence agreement that you agreed to, something that near impossible to do previously. You can look into it all you like, but it wont do you a lot of good. PA is here to stay. Stuart

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I looked into it more and yes it did do me good, I didn't mean to beat it in a way that would allow one to use it illegaly, i just don't like any of our freedoms trampled on, but after LOOKING INTO IT MORE...here - Microsoft's Product Activation feature, included in the new Windows XP operating system, is the company's latest attempt to fight software piracy. Microsoft says it wants to eliminate what it calls the "casual copying" of Windows. After activation, you can install and reinstall XP using your activation ID as many times as you like as long as your hardware configuration remains, for the most part, the same. What if you want to change your hardware? You can, but you will need to go through the activation process again. Now only the configuration of your new or changed computer will be able to be activated. Microsoft allows this kind of hardware reconfiguration as many as four times per year without questioning. I believe this referrs to a major hardware change like totally switching computers This is ok, I flew off the handle. Sorry about that crack. I don't think this is a big deal for formatting/re-installing.

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OH, Thanks for the help with my HD Stuart. I did want to do it from within windows.

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To all the above comments. Just for your onfo gntlmn, I am eployed by a muliti billon $ company. With production facilities in about 12 countries, and employ about 7 thousand heads at my base facility. ( Global Design HQ ) We run 2 Cray supers both in Japan and in the US. NT WE DIDNT EVEN ROLL OUT NT THATS HOW GOOD IT WAS, WE HAVE JUST NOW STARTED TO ROLL OUT XP AND IT IS NOT AS GOOD AS IT SOUNDS. In some areas we have reverted back to 98se. So pls dont talk to me about NT or XP MY PERSONAL MACHINE HAS XP ON RAID 0. I know the problems just all to well. And for those who bag Win ME I sugest very strongly you have a real good look at it and LEARN HOW TO BUILD IT FIRST. I still run my second rig with it and I dont get blue screens !!! Read some of my other post's on this forum re win ME. And the comment about 98SE againtst 2000 I agree. Dos may be duying but it will be a slow death, but heck it is a heck of an educational tool for many tec's. For those who wish to argue this point further pls use my e-mail addy I would be more than happy to indulge, This forum is better used for other purposes. Gentleman !!! Regards

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I'm sorry, but anybody who reverts to Windows 98SE from Windows XP, unless an application they require is not suppored by XP, is a complete moron. Out of curiosity, what is your position with this "muliti billon $ company"? Honestly, any business with a competent IT manager/department would never use Windows 98. While we're at it, I'm still waiting to here some of the "problems" that Windows XP has... well?

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I always find it interesting that individuals can call someone a moron for a decision when they have absltly no facts in front of them what so ever. Sir !!!! As I stated before if you wish to take this further pls use my contact address. I would be morethan happy to give you the info you are looking for.

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Janos, This is a public forum and as such all discussions are in the public domain. That way everybody get to read it and even people who are not invloved in the discussion can probably learn something. Make a contraversial statement on a public forum and you must be prepared to support it in public. Doing it by E-amil is only two people know what is being discussed and the contraversial statement goes unanswered. The only problem with carrying out a discussion in a public forum is that if you say something stupid, the whole world knows about it. Oh and by the way. Anyone who puts XP on a RAID 0 array is just storing up unecessary problems for themselves. Stuart

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I apologize Janos. It would appear that you took my statement a little too personally. I had no intention of meaning that you are an moron or otherwise. I was simply trying to generalize the situations where one needs to decide between two operating systems and has no real reason to lean one way or the other. As I said, there truly are times when you will need to run Windows 98 in place of 2000 or XP. I know in particular that our company has an old software package for managing ATM tech callouts. This is a very picky POS application and will only run under Windows 98. That said, our company currently has one Win98 box, one NT box, a couple 2000 boxes, a couple Win2003 servers and the rest are all XP. Sometimes we're forced into using an OS, but we use XP whenever we can. Sorry about the misdirection.

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Oh, sorry, forgot to mention the bit about using the forum instead of email. I basically echo Stuart, adding only that while this is a computer tech forum, heaven knows that it has drifting threads from time to time. This in a nutshell is why I use it. I enjoy helping others, participation in public discussions, and having a bit of fun in between :)

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