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Name: Zenno
Date: January 20, 2005 at 18:30:43 Pacific
OS: Windows XP SP1A
CPU/Ram: P4 3.0 / 1.0 G DDR
Comment:

Ok, i just spent my last entire day of vacation trying to set up complete file access between 2 computers on my home network using what ever i could find on computing.net - It still doesn't work !

Here`s my configuration:

- Both computers are running XP Pro SP1a
- The network is possible from a router, a d-link DI-624
- I have uncheck "Simple file sharing on both computers"
- Both computers uses MSHOME as workgroup name
- No problem for accessing the internet on both computers
- Internet connection firewall is disabled on both computers
- On both computers, there are only one user, and this user have ADMINISTRATIVE PRIVILEGES
-i have set a share on both computers for drive C and the "My Documents" folder.

Here are the results:

When looking in My Network Places and clicking "view workgroups computers" both computers sees itself and the other computer name.

But, for a strange reasons, computer 1 can access the C folder of computer 2 but cannot access the My Documents folder of computer 2.

As for computer 2, when i try to access computer 1 in the same manner, it asked for a username and password.

Grrrrr...This is going to be a long day.....

Any inputs on this will be very appreciated.

Zenno



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Response Number 1
Name: Gama
Date: January 20, 2005 at 18:44:45 Pacific
Reply:

What is the file system you are using? Is it NTFS? did you check the folder permissions of My Documents?

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Response Number 2
Name: Chuck 2
Date: January 20, 2005 at 18:47:25 Pacific
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Response Number 3
Name: Zenno
Date: January 20, 2005 at 19:00:19 Pacific
Reply:

I'm using NTFS on both computers

The permissions for Drive C and My Documents on both computers is set to EVERYONE - FULL CONTROL


Zenno


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Response Number 4
Name: Zenno
Date: January 20, 2005 at 19:02:35 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for the links. This could have something to do with my router and the way it handles the network.

I will do some further investigations.



Zenno


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Response Number 5
Name: ClydeB
Date: January 20, 2005 at 19:08:07 Pacific
Reply:

Although you don't make mention, I assume you did run the Network Setup Wizard to completion. If not, I suggest you reset the router, unshare any resources, restart both PCs then run the wizard all the way thru including the nwsetup diskette. Doesn't take long and does things in the proper order.


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Response Number 6
Name: domass
Date: January 20, 2005 at 20:03:00 Pacific
Reply:

If you want to share files freely between the two computers you have to check the simple file sharing. Also a firewall will affect file sharing.


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Response Number 7
Name: Zenno
Date: January 21, 2005 at 11:29:57 Pacific
Reply:

Didn't worked.

Ok, here's what i have done IN ORDER:

1) I unshare on both computers "Drive C" and "My Documents"

2) i turn off both pcs.

3) i made a reset to my router

4) i turn on my 2 computers

5) i re-run Network setup wizard, and this time , i used the floppy, just in case it will have made a difference.

6) i set a share for drive C on both computers

7) i restarted both computers

RESULT: Now i can't even access or see the computers on my network, it says something like: "Can't access MSHOME workgroup, check the permission..bla bla bla..

Since it did not worked, i re-check Simple file sharing and restarted both computers, no results.

i think i'm out of option rigth now.


Zenno


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Response Number 8
Name: ClydeB
Date: January 21, 2005 at 12:34:21 Pacific
Reply:

Firewall? Permissions are directly linked to the firewall. When you ran the wizard, did you specifically indicate you wanted to share? Pull the plug on the internet to prevent bad things happening and turn the Windows firewall off and see what happens. If this helps, then reconnect to the internet and test again, your hardware firewall should be sufficient.


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Response Number 9
Name: Zenno
Date: January 21, 2005 at 13:26:53 Pacific
Reply:

I didn't see any option for specific sharing while running the Network setup wizard. The only things mentionned about that was at the end when you have to click a link to have more info on how to share, but no specific option to activate it. I have SP1a.


Zenno


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Response Number 10
Name: ClydeB
Date: January 21, 2005 at 14:15:30 Pacific
Reply:

This concerns me about the condition of your Wizard. When I "Setup a Home or Small Office Network", the welcome screen tells me what it can do. Next, I'm told to install everything and turn the devices on. The next screen lets me choose the gateway option. After that are the naming screens and then I have the choice to either turn file and printer sharing On or Off. I get the ready to apply screen and then it builds the configuration. The next screen is where I make the floppy and the last is to finish. By the way, I have XP Pro, but as I recall XP Home was the same way. It is important to have the devices turned on so XP can find them at startup.


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Response Number 11
Name: Zenno
Date: January 21, 2005 at 14:32:25 Pacific
Reply:

screenshots will follow in a few minutes


Zenno


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Response Number 12
Name: Zenno
Date: January 21, 2005 at 14:48:00 Pacific
Reply:

Here you go....

http://www.familleboutet.com/mynetwork/

hope this will bring some light.


Zenno


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Response Number 13
Name: ClydeB
Date: January 21, 2005 at 18:05:59 Pacific
Reply:

Zenno, Ive studied your screenshots and can't find the relationship to the configuration domass describes. The connection is thru a router, not direct to the i'net.


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Response Number 14
Name: domass
Date: January 21, 2005 at 20:40:40 Pacific
Reply:

This computer connects to the internet through another computer on my network or a residental gateway.
3rd picture this option should be ticked.
You probably know, but just in case, I was talking about the simple file sharing in the bottom of the view tab in the folder options.


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Response Number 15
Name: ClydeB
Date: January 21, 2005 at 20:53:49 Pacific
Reply:

Zenno,
You have me faked out. Suggesting a direct connection to the net when a router is installed could lead to a failed process and not be functional, even if it were to be doable. The "simple sharing" is the essence of the procedure, not available standalone.


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Response Number 16
Name: Zenno
Date: January 22, 2005 at 04:41:06 Pacific
Reply:

Ok, everybody, you kind of got me confused.

I thought my kind of internet connection was simple.

My cable modem is connected directly into the router and then from the router goes 2 cable one that goes into computer 1 and the other to computer 2, that's why i stated so in figure 4.

Is there something that should be there in the wizard but isn't ?

Thanks.


Zenno


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Response Number 17
Name: ClydeB
Date: January 22, 2005 at 07:09:04 Pacific
Reply:

Your verbally described network is classic. ISP modem>router>2PCs. The screen shots describe something different. The selected method states that the computer connects directly to the internet, while you state in writing that there is a router (residential gateway) that connects to the internet. That is the descrepancy that I'm concerned with.
ClydeB


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Response Number 18
Name: Zenno
Date: January 22, 2005 at 10:27:37 Pacific
Reply:

I put all of the screenshots i swa to make sure that maybe i was missing something.

On the 4th picture, the selection clearly is: "This computer connects to the internet directly or through a netwok hub".

In my case, like i said it's a router, should have i choose a different option in the wizard ?


Zenno


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Response Number 19
Name: ClydeB
Date: January 22, 2005 at 12:16:16 Pacific
Reply:

I'm sorry, but the one I saw had the dot in the circle showing the direct connection. It is probable that you choose the OTHER when you actually made the selection. In any event, have you had any success following the detailed Wizard path?


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Response Number 20
Name: Zenno
Date: January 22, 2005 at 13:30:47 Pacific
Reply:

Ok. If i am connected to the internet in this manner, with the router, do you think i have something to set up in the router to be able to share everything in windows between 2 computers with no problem ?

Also, about the "simple file sharing" option in windows, some people say that i must check it, others don't. What is best in my situation ?

Thank you very much.


Zenno


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Response Number 21
Name: Zenno
Date: January 22, 2005 at 13:38:37 Pacific
Reply:

I clarify 2 of my screenshots in red, sorry for the misunderstanding.


Zenno


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Response Number 22
Name: domass
Date: January 22, 2005 at 13:41:33 Pacific
Reply:

You should have nothing in router to set up to be able to share file between computers behind it. Check the box in the folder options that says "simple file sharing".
By the way, the pictures you posted, you should have not have got to the 4th one because you should have picked the middle option on the 3rd picture. A hub is different from a router.


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Response Number 23
Name: Zenno
Date: January 22, 2005 at 13:50:34 Pacific
Reply:

Domass, I picked the 3rd option (other) on the 3rd screenshot and it gets me to screenshot 4 where i choose the first option because i looked at the connection diagram provided when you clicked on "View an example" and it represented exactly what i have: My cable-modem connected only to the router, and my 2 computers connected directly in the router.


Zenno


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Response Number 24
Name: domass
Date: January 22, 2005 at 14:21:55 Pacific
Reply:

Click Here and read number 4 very carefully. You use a router, not a hub.


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Response Number 25
Name: ClydeB
Date: January 22, 2005 at 15:13:39 Pacific
Reply:

The more I study your screen shots, the more convinced I am that you have an equipment failure rather than a software/configuration problem. You should have not seen some of the screens you show. If you had your NICs installed, your router connected to your modem, your PCs and printer (s) turned on and were connected to the internet as the directions say to do, you would have gotten a different set of choices. I still maintain that to solve the problem, you must uninstall the NICs (via hardware>device manager, not physically) let XP find them and let the Wizard do the config. I've still never seen the 'simple sharing' thing in real life. The "other" screen and the one after are where I'm suspicious. This indicates the wizard is confused and is not seeing your hardware as it is supposed to be. You should not see the choice of ways to connect to the internet and mention of bridging.


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Response Number 26
Name: Zenno
Date: January 22, 2005 at 18:59:54 Pacific
Reply:

A VERY BIG THANK YOU to everybody who did their best to solve my problem.

The winner is Domass !!!

You were right about choosing the second option from screenshot 3.

BUT, what got me confused is the diagrams that Windows proposed when you clicked on view an example for each of the networking method.

For me, a hub is something that is connected to the main computer, and the main computer has to be opened so that other computers can share it's ressources and the internet.

For me , a router did not imposed the obligation to have that first computer opened since every computer on the network could access the internet through the router even if all the other computers were turn off.

So i first choose the method on screenshot 4 because when i clicked on "View an example" it was the only place that showed my configuration accurately even thought there were talking about a hub and not a router.

So, it was a lot of work and pain, but we finally found a solution.

Thanks again everyone. I'm very grateful.


Zenno


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Response Number 27
Name: domass
Date: January 22, 2005 at 23:03:21 Pacific
Reply:

Good to here, thanks for writing that back.


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