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Name: oceanb70
Date: October 21, 2006 at 21:45:48 Pacific
OS: WinXP @ SP2
CPU/Ram: P4 3.0C/1GB
Product: DIY
Comment:

Hi guys,

pls help with my TV out. My HDD crash last week and I try to re-install my window on another HDD. After installed the window and all the necessary driver, my tv cannot detect any signal from TV-out of my graphic card. It used to work perfectly, but now it show no signal after reinstall my window. I did tried to download the latest driver from leadtek, but problem still there. I also tried download driver from nvidia also no help. I am using Leadtek 6800GT. I had tried the function of 'force detect of TV' with restart of my PC, also no help. Any advice from here?



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Response Number 1
Name: Ed in Texas.
Date: October 22, 2006 at 02:17:06 Pacific
Reply:

oceanb70, SWAG, sounds to me like you have gotten the correct driver for the card, but either the driver or the card needs to be installed as your defalt. Suspect your Windows reinstall didn't use it.
HTH.
Ed in Texas.


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Response Number 2
Name: oceanb70
Date: October 22, 2006 at 05:30:08 Pacific
Reply:

what does that mean? i need to roll back my graphic card driver?


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Response Number 3
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: October 22, 2006 at 07:41:20 Pacific
Reply:

If your drivers are installed correctly you probably need to go to Control Panel - Display - Settings - Advanced and find the setting to turn your TV out on - that is usually disabled when you first install the video drivers.


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Response Number 4
Name: oceanb70
Date: October 22, 2006 at 08:31:56 Pacific
Reply:

i had tried out all the setting. perhap you can be more detail on the step. might be some setting that i miss out.


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Response Number 5
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: October 22, 2006 at 08:54:08 Pacific
Reply:

I don't have a Leadtek card - mine are mostly ATI.
To turn on TV out, I go to Control Panel - Display - Settings - Advanced - Displays - and click on a button above the picture labelled TV .
It won't turn on if no connection to a TV or another device (such as a VCR) is detected.

If the Leadtek card has both S-video and composite video (RCA jack) outputs, usually you can only use one or the other, not both.

If you don't see anything similar to that, you probably don't have the proper drivers loaded. XP, especially SP2, has drivers for many cards built in, but if you use those drivers, there is often nothing there in Display - Settings - Advanced to support extra features such as TV out - you must load the manufacturers drivers, after uninstalling any display drivers you already have loaded in Add and Remove Programs.


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Response Number 6
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: October 22, 2006 at 10:10:07 Pacific
Reply:

You must set your TV to a source other than TV - e.g. Video 1, Video 2, etc., of course.
You often can't plug in both an S-video cable and a composite video input (RCA connected)on the TV, from any source - you have to use one or the other.


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Response Number 7
Name: oceanb70
Date: October 22, 2006 at 12:28:45 Pacific
Reply:

i had tried all your suggestion....any other helps?


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Response Number 8
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: October 22, 2006 at 13:50:10 Pacific
Reply:

Make sure the drivers you downloaded for the card are the ones that have support for TV out. Read any un-install info Leadtec has for their drivers on their web site - you may need to do more than just un-install the drivers (e.g. delete files, registry enties left behind).
Uninstall all display drivers you already have loaded in Add and Remove Programs. If Leadtec had suggestions about more things you need to do after that, follow them.
Your Display should be in a default VGA state when you are ready to install the drivers again - if it isn't I can suggest a workaround method.
Re-install the Leadtec drivers.



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Response Number 9
Name: oceanb70
Date: October 22, 2006 at 19:53:54 Pacific
Reply:

but original is the first driver that i installed where the problem started.


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Response Number 10
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: October 22, 2006 at 19:58:34 Pacific
Reply:

Install the latest drivers then. Doing nothing isn't going to cure your problem.


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Response Number 11
Name: oceanb70
Date: October 23, 2006 at 03:40:05 Pacific
Reply:

i know. that is why i am posting the thread here. i am on the latest driver from nvidia but still cannot get the problem solve. i bought a new s-video-rca cable today. No help.... any advice?


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Response Number 12
Name: oceanb70
Date: October 23, 2006 at 05:59:55 Pacific
Reply:

i found something. i realise that my display adapter doesn't include secondary. this might be the cause. any one can teach me how to install secondary adapter?



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Response Number 13
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: October 23, 2006 at 06:38:57 Pacific
Reply:

You need to ask yourself some questions.
- how did you go about installing the card the first time before your hard drive crashed? e.g. did you use the CD that came with it?
- did you make any changes in the connections of the card to the TV?
- did you have to fiddle with secondary adapter settings before? If the card does not have two video outputs other than TV out, you shouldn't have to fiddle with that.


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Response Number 14
Name: oceanb70
Date: October 23, 2006 at 07:16:54 Pacific
Reply:

to answer you,

i bought this card from ebay. i suspect he didnt' get me the correct cd. i nv get the driver from cd to work. the previous time when the tv out is working, the driver i downloaded from leadtek which i had tried the samething.

i didn't make any changes to the connection.

i didn't fiddle with the secondary adapter setting before.

my card come with one dvi,vga and tvout.

pls advice.


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Response Number 15
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: October 23, 2006 at 07:54:56 Pacific
Reply:

"i suspect he didnt' get me the correct cd. i nv get the driver from cd to work. the previous time when the tv out is working, the driver i downloaded from leadtek which i had tried the samething."

Are you using the same download from Leadtek that worked before, or are you not sure because you didn't back it up before you re-installed Windows?
Whether you are sure or not, there's a small possibility the download is corrupted - you can download the right one again.
If you're not sure, check out the Leadtek site and make sure you've got the right download - e.g. there may be more than one revision of the card and the different revisions require different drivers.
Some video drivers include support for all possible features a particular card series might have, some may not - are you sure you have drivers that support TV out and two monitor outputs (DVI and VGA)?

"i didn't make any changes to the connection."

OK - so there's no change there.

"i didn't fiddle with the secondary adapter setting before."

Then you don't need to now.

"my card come with one dvi,vga "
If you have ports for both, if you have the proper drivers loaded, when you look at Display - Settings there should be two monitor screen pictures in the window there, one of which is the one presently being used, and if you have only one monitor connected to your video card, that is the only one you can select.

If you have the wrong drivers loaded, such as the ones that might be built into Windows SP2, there may not be two monitor pictures there.

"To turn on TV out, I go to Control Panel - Display - Settings - Advanced - Displays - and click on a button above the picture labelled TV . "

Do you see something similar to that? If you do, are you able to turn on/off the TV out?
If you do not see something similar to that, you do not have the correct drivers loaded.
If you do see something similar to that but you cannot enable the TV out, there is something wrong with the connection to your TV.

Other possibilities? TV out may only be available when your monitor resolution is set to certain resolutions - see the docs for the card.

If you don't have the manual for the card, download it and read it carefully.
Look for TV out t-shooting FAQ's on the Leadtek web site.


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Response Number 16
Name: oceanb70
Date: October 23, 2006 at 19:12:26 Pacific
Reply:


i had tried a new thing, i bring another monitor from somewhere to connect it up using my graphic card. when boot up, i can see all the picture from the secondary montior and this prove that my multi display is working for this driver. this also remind me that when i connect my tv-out to tv, i do have all the picture during boot up as this show that the card detect my tv. now the problem is that during boot up, my card doesn't detect at all. i am using the same cable. i also just bought a new cable and tried but no help.

any advice?


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Response Number 17
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: October 23, 2006 at 20:55:16 Pacific
Reply:

I'm all out of suggestions, except : Is your computer and everything connected to it connected to something that protects them from power surges and spikes?
And - to test your PS and hard drive - see response 5 in this:
http://www.computing.net/hardware/w...

You didn't answer most of the questions I asked you in the last post. I have no idea whether you have tried most of the things I have suggested, going by your answers.


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Response Number 18
Name: oceanb70
Date: October 24, 2006 at 04:17:19 Pacific
Reply:

"Are you using the same download from Leadtek that worked before, or are you not sure because you didn't back it up before you re-installed Windows?
Whether you are sure or not, there's a small possibility the download is corrupted - you can download the right one again.
If you're not sure, check out the Leadtek site and make sure you've got the right download - e.g. there may be more than one revision of the card and the different revisions require different drivers."

I am using the same driver that i used before, this driver was all along in my hdd. I had also tried to download from leadtek by choosing my product software. they got only one version for me to download which is Ver77.77


"If you have ports for both, if you have the proper drivers loaded, when you look at Display - Settings there should be two monitor screen pictures in the window there, one of which is the one presently being used, and if you have only one monitor connected to your video card, that is the only one you can select.

If you have the wrong drivers loaded, such as the ones that might be built into Windows SP2, there may not be two monitor pictures there."

i am not using window xp driver as they capture my card as a unknown hardware. i had only one monitor at control panel>display. from i heard from another forums, it's normal to see my adpater without secondary as that only applied to ATI card.


"To turn on TV out, I go to Control Panel - Display - Settings - Advanced - Displays - and click on a button above the picture labelled TV .

Do you see something similar to that? If you do, are you able to turn on/off the TV out?
If you do not see something similar to that, you do not have the correct drivers loaded.
If you do see something similar to that but you cannot enable the TV out, there is something wrong with the connection to your TV.

Other possibilities? TV out may only be available when your monitor resolution is set to certain resolutions - see the docs for the card."

Before the whole thing go haywire, i am using the same tv, cable, card, driver and same port. there shouldn't be anything wrong.

"If you don't have the manual for the card, download it and read it carefully.
Look for TV out t-shooting FAQ's on the Leadtek web site."

i downloaded the manual and never talk about troubleshooting, all about installing special feature.


hope i answered all your question.



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Response Number 19
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: October 24, 2006 at 09:40:23 Pacific
Reply:

One last try.

Leadtek 6800GT is not specific enough.
The N-videa Geforce 6800 chipset is available in both AGP and SLI cards.
You have not mentioned whether your mboard has an AGP or (a) PCI-e slot(s) for the video.
Since GT is not mentioned for the AGP card series, I assume you have a mboard with PCI-e slots, and your video card is one of the SLI versions: PX6800 GT TDH, or PX6800 GT TDH SLI Premium Pack (or you have an OEM white box version of that card).

Drivers here:
CD9.5 (Driver 83.10)
(2006/1/4)
http://www.leadtek.com.tw/eng/3d_gr...

"they got only one version for me to download which is Ver77.77"
Where did you get that info from?
.....

If you DO have a 6800 AGP card, it can't be a 6800 GT, and those are probably NOT the drivers you should be using!
......

Manuals here:
http://www.leadtek.com.tw/eng/suppo...

I downloaded both manuals and looked at them.
Where I am (Canada) the Europe download site works well - the Taiwan one is really slow to download from, the USA one is not found. If the Taiwan site is really slow for you too, I recommend the Europe site if you need to download again - the faster it downloads the more likely the download will not be corrupted.

In the Quick Install Guide, I found it is recommended for XP that you install the drivers by running the install program on the CD (or run the download install which is the same thing).

In my experiences with many ATI cards, if I install the card physically before installing any software for it, then when Windows detects the card while booting, I point Windows to the location of the drivers on it's installation CD, or in the expanded contents of a download I got from ATI, the display drivers are installed but not all features of the card work once I get into Windows. The only way everything for the cards is installed properly is to CANCEL installing the drivers while booting when Windows wants me to point to where the drivers are, and run the install from the CD, or from the download I got from ATI.

I recommend you do the same thing with your install. If that wasn't the way you did it, Un-install the drivers in Add and Remove programs, and Un-install all applications associated with the card, then CANCEL installing the drivers while booting the next time, and run the download if it doesn't need to be extracted, or if it does need to be extracted, the Setup in the expanded contents of the download.

In the VGA General Guide I found:
- Winfast PX 6800GT - Minimum rec. power supply 420 - 480 watts; +12v @ 25A

Is your PS compliant with those specs?
Is it a good brand and model, or is it an el-cheapo?
Did you check out your PS as I suggested?

- plug in PCI Express supplementary power connector

Is that plugged in?

- if you have 2 SLI slots, a single card must be in the proper slot

If that applies, is it in the proper slot?
An any case, are you SURE the card is properly seated in it's slot?

ATX mboards are always powered in some places by their ATX PS, including some contacts in the slots, even when Windows is Shut Down or in Standby or Hiberate modes.
You must REMOVE the power to your mboard whenever you fiddle with any electrical connections inside your case, including when you remove or install cards or ram in slots, or you can damage components! Unplug the PS, or turn off the PS's power switch on the back of the case if it has one, or turn off any power bar the computer is plugged into.

- Remove old display drivers in Add and Remove Software.
Install DirectX.

Did you install DirectX 9.0c??

- Display - Settings - Advanced - (name of adapter - xxxx 6800 xx) - Tools -
settings there -
Force TV detection
and Detect Displays

Did you try both?

I see you don't have a Display - Settings - Advanced - Displays selection like the ATI card software does.

- Display - Settings shows two monitor pictures in all the examples in the manual.

I would think when you have two video output monitor ports on the video card like you do, you should always see two monitor pictures there - that has been the case with all the cards that have two monitor outputs I have encountered; however all of the ones I've seen with two monitor output ports are for ATI chipsets. If you have only 1 monitor, only one can be selected.

- Chipset: GeForce 6800 GT
"they got only one version for me to download which is Ver77.77"
Where did you get that info from?

I suppose you could download drivers from N-videa itself, providing they specifically support 6800 GT, and they may have a different driver version number, but usually graphics chips makers recommemnd you preferably download them from the manufacturer of the card rather than from them .
......

"Look for TV out t-shooting FAQ's on the Leadtek web site."

I found nothing like that there.



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Response Number 20
Name: oceanb70
Date: October 25, 2006 at 03:16:51 Pacific
Reply:

Tubesandwires,

i thank you for your pro-active reply to my problem. sorry for my unclear message. I do have a AGP Leadtek 6800 GT. the url provided is the exact card i have and i download the ver77.77 from the same website.

http://www.leadtek.com.tw/eng/3d_gr...


"Did you install DirectX 9.0c??"
yes.

"Is your PS compliant with those specs?
Is it a good brand and model, or is it an el-cheapo?
Did you check out your PS as I suggested?"

yes, my psu is Be-quiet 400Watts. i didn't know the min is 420Watts. but as i mention, it's used to be a working tv-out. now i got less one hdd, it should work even better rite?

"- Display - Settings - Advanced - (name of adapter - xxxx 6800 xx) - Tools -
settings there -
Force TV detection
and Detect Displays

Did you try both?"

Yes, i tried both many times with different cable, setting and so on.

"I would think when you have two video output monitor ports on the video card like you do, you should always see two monitor pictures there - that has been the case with all the cards that have two monitor outputs I have encountered; however all of the ones I've seen with two monitor output ports are for ATI chipsets. If you have only 1 monitor, only one can be selected."

if i plug in the secondary monitor via my vga slot, i will be able to see the second monitor in display panel. and also if i choose 'force detect tv', it do have the all the option as if the tv is avaible but there isn't any signal at tv end.


thank you
Nick


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Response Number 21
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: October 25, 2006 at 12:03:43 Pacific
Reply:

"I do have a AGP Leadtek 6800 GT. the url provided is the exact card i have and i download the ver77.77 from the same website.
http://www.leadtek.com.tw/eng/3d_gr...

HUH? You have a WinFast A400 GT TDH card!!

"I do have a AGP Leadtek 6800 GT"

Why didn't you say that was the chipset and not the name of the card? You had me searching using the wrong information!!

WinFast A400 GT TDH
Chipset: NVIDIA GeForce GPU: 6800 GT
Output: DVI, VGA, TV-Out

So you seem to have the right drivers - try downloading them again in case the ones you have are corrupted. If the situation is the same for you as it is for me, the Europe site will download them fastest, and they will be less likely to be corrupted if they download faster.

".., my psu is Be-quiet 400Watts. i didn't know the min is 420Watts."

That only applies if you have a PCI-e card - an SLI card. AGP cards do not need as much power, and what you have is fine as long as it's a good PS that is actually capable of it's stated output and there is nothing wrong with it.
However, I have never heard of a Be-quiet PS - that sound's like an el-cheapo PS to me - el-cheapo PSs are much more likely to malfunction, and they often can't actually put out the stated max capacity - it is a lie.
It is important that you check out your PS, especially if it is an el-cheapo as I suspect it is - see response 17.

If you have another PS that has enough capacity (350 watts or more?) you can try, try that - the wiring of the main connector fron the PS must be the same - same colors and numbers of wires at each position - and if your card needs to have an additional power connected to the card it self, the other PS must have that too.

"... now i got less one hdd, it should work even better rite?"

Hard drives draw very little power - no, it shouldn't make any noticable difference if you have one less hard drive.


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Response Number 22
Name: oceanb70
Date: October 26, 2006 at 04:25:05 Pacific
Reply:

Sorry, my mistake that i name the thing wrongly, that's the name i got it from the seller that sell this card to me.

as for my psu, you can find the review from the link provided.

http://www.pc-cooling.fr/quiet-watt...


thanks again. i had tried downloaded again but no help. i appreciate your help so much though problem not solve. will try to install again my OS once my crashed hdd back from rma, guess that's the only way i can do it.

regards,
Nick



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