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Pb Booting XP (boot files location)

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Name: Lamp2k4
Date: June 22, 2004 at 08:54:08 Pacific
OS: winxp sp1
CPU/Ram: P3 700 512mb
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Ok, I'm going to try to be clear and concise. I have actually have 3 HDD on my comp with partitions list below:

C:/ 1st HDD with the Boot files (IO.SYS, ntldr etc)
D:/ 2nd HDD/1st PARTITION (data..)
E:/ 3th HDD (data..)
F:/ 2nd HDD/2nd Partition /SYSTEM FILES F:/WINDOWS (winxp 2nd edition)

((I have a SCSI card and burner))

Now that you now that, HERE IS MY FIRST PB: When I boot, I need to press ESC to boot from the SCSI device and then it'll go thru the windowsxp on the F:/. Wether there is cdrom
inserted in the scsi burner or not! This is my only chance to boot (I've done that
for 3 months). Otherwise, if I boot normally, with a 1st boot device (bios) being my C: drive it doesn't work.

That's a small pb.. being obliged to boot from the scsi device each time i boot up..
but more is yet to come! SECOND AND MAIN PROBLEM : My C:/ HDD (the one with the boot files)is about to die!! It makes the usual noises of the future dead HDD and even my system says it during the boot (smart option in the bios enabled).. So what do you think I need to do to boot normally , getting my boot files on F:/ as well as my system files (winxp already on F:/)??? If I can't find a solution before my C: dies I won't be able to boot again on my F: system files (xp)

Thank for any kind of help.

PS: Everything is NTFS but E:/




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Response Number 1
Name: mattie
Date: June 22, 2004 at 09:11:21 Pacific
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questions: are all of your drives SCSI discs? scsi controller?

... and the first thing i'd do if i were you: replace your dying c: drive asap ... use ghost or ezscsi to clone it, if possible ... saves you a lot of hassle.

Today's subliminal thought is: 'Calm down ... it's only ones and zeros.'

icq 10183575


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Response Number 2
Name: Lamp2k4
Date: June 22, 2004 at 09:27:30 Pacific
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Answer: ONLY my burner is scsi! The others are normal HHD on a P3 700.. ide for e: for ex.. None of the HDD are SCSI!

About the ghost things.. o'course I did it.. about replacing it.. I just don't want.. everything is saved .. the hdd was old.. I just need my F: to be my unique drive with system AND boot files.. just like being a C:\


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Response Number 3
Name: mattie
Date: June 22, 2004 at 09:32:43 Pacific
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i doubt that you can 'merge' your c and f drive for windows 'thinks' it's installed on drive f: ... since you have a burner, backup up vital data and just do a clean installation. set one of the other drives as primary master (preferably the fastest one, a 7200 rpm or faster if you have) boot from your xp cdrom, your scsi controller should support bootable cdroms) and go ahead.

Today's subliminal thought is: 'Calm down ... it's only ones and zeros.'

icq 10183575


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Response Number 4
Name: Lamp2k4
Date: June 22, 2004 at 09:51:49 Pacific
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Well I don't want to merge C: and F: I just want to boot to F:\windows (winxp) without getting my boot files on C:\, you know those ntldr IO.SYS boot.ini etc .. I don't know I can merely copy them to the F:\ root.. there aren't that many boot files.. like 6 or 7 files on c:\ root.. So it is possible to do that ? Should I do something else ?


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Response Number 5
Name: mattie
Date: June 22, 2004 at 10:10:51 Pacific
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these boot files HAVE to be on the C: drive. period ... moving them to f: won't do you any good ... you need to have the same drive configuration for you boot AND system partition ... any other drive letter can be chosen freely ... so in you case there HAS to be a C: drive (containing your boot files) AND a F: drive (your system) ... although you can clone and replace which ever drive you want.

Today's subliminal thought is: 'Calm down ... it's only ones and zeros.'

icq 10183575


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Response Number 6
Name: Lamp2k4
Date: June 22, 2004 at 10:19:49 Pacific
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Sorry to be such a pain in the bum but what I want to do then is to put my F: drive as primary master, to give him the c: letter and to make it bootable (with boot files)! just like a sys a: c: with win98 .. know what I mean? I'm sure someone here on this forum could help me doing that!


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Response Number 7
Name: per
Date: June 22, 2004 at 10:59:59 Pacific
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You can try this;copy the system files to the 1st partition of drive 2, install the 2nd drive on IDE 0 ribbon and boot from the XP cd, go past the recovery console to the install menu and select repair the existing installation.You won't lose anything except the XP updates. Be sure your firewall and A/V are active before going on the net for the updates. This is a rather unorthodox installation, so don't know if it will work or not. Good luck.

please post back and let us know which fix worked so we can help others. posters.


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Response Number 8
Name: mattie
Date: June 22, 2004 at 11:10:34 Pacific
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no, you can't ... even if you get your (now) f: (then c:)drive to boot it won't work ... windows is looking for the system files on F: but they are on C: then, get it? :-)

as i said ... avoid all troubles, backup data, and go for a clean reinstallation.

Today's subliminal thought is: 'Calm down ... it's only ones and zeros.'

icq 10183575


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Response Number 9
Name: Lamp2k4
Date: June 22, 2004 at 11:15:46 Pacific
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This installation was supposed to be the clean installation of the former one! and after the first boot i was obliged to boot up using ESC key and to select BOOT FROM SCSI.. I did it for 3 months..

do you have an idea for this pb ? :)


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Response Number 10
Name: Lamp2k4
Date: June 22, 2004 at 11:20:07 Pacific
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By the way I might also put the boot files on another HDD like D: or E: and still keep my F:\ as a system drive! what do you think of that ?

look what I found : http://www.michna.com/kb/WnBootDiskChange.htm


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Response Number 11
Name: mattie
Date: June 22, 2004 at 11:40:08 Pacific
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well ... try it.

what i don't get is: why would you boot from scsi when the only scsi devices in your system are the controller and a cd-r drive???

Today's subliminal thought is: 'Calm down ... it's only ones and zeros.'

icq 10183575


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Response Number 12
Name: wanderer
Date: June 22, 2004 at 11:42:00 Pacific
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I would suggest you configure your scsi card correctly. Try turning off boot from scsi cd in the cards bios.

If all you have is a cdburner you can't boot since you don't have any bootable scsi drives. It is defaulting to next device which in your case is ide and c:.

In theory you can make your present 2nd drive the primary and use recovery console to run fixmbr and fixboot to get you booting again. In XP there is also bootcfg which helps you straighten out boot order.

Unknown what will happen with all the drive lettering. Better to backup and start fresh.


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Response Number 13
Name: Lamp2k4
Date: June 22, 2004 at 14:39:54 Pacific
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wanderer thx a bunch for helping! As u said it right.. it's weird: if my boot sequence is normal ie booting on HDD 1 : I can't boot ! but if (and this is the only way i found to boot) I press escape and choose nothing else than boot on SCSI (without cdrom inserted) it seems to find the boot files on c: and then i boot on F: correcty! WEIRD ! but that's why I post this here! because i know there are a lot of savvy ppl. It seems to "ping time out" on the scsi device like u said.. when I installed winxp the first reboot i made this thing happened! so i tried to boot with the cd ! and thought the cd helped me to boot! but once i forgot to insert the cd i realized i didn't have to insert a xp cd!! weird stuff .. for me.

Like we said, if I make my 2nd HDD
my primary master, D: will become C: and E:>D: then F will become E!! so what you will happen to my windows if all my files are now on a E: drive! or maybe it will stay a F: (im bit lost with that..) ..

To reply to mattie: what are u telling i don't want to boot on the scsi on purpose! I do this because this is the ONLY way i can start my comp since the installation and for now 3 months! :)


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Response Number 14
Name: Lamp2k4
Date: June 23, 2004 at 07:57:17 Pacific
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Wow I installed partition magic.. coming with boot magic! .. I had to add myself the F:\windows to the bootmagic .. but it hiddened the other drive when booting .. then I applied an unhide and I deinstalled bootmagic! guess what I've been unable to boot at all! So I took off the HDD about to crash and replaced it.. Then I started a new xp installation on my F:\winxp! I then installed boot magic and now i'm back to my old installation f:\windows ... i'm only missing one drive hidden... this is all f---ed up!


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