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Name: PaulPaul
Date: October 19, 2005 at 01:03:29 Pacific
OS: 98 & Home XP
CPU/Ram: Pll /456
Comment:

Ok….thanks for taking the time to help me with this problem.

Set up:

I have 2 drives
1 main C drive 10GB (that is slowly dying) with Windows ’98 on it
1 secondary slave drive 100GB that is partitioned (D25GB, E25GB, F25GB, G25GB)

I have duel boot up so on the F partition I have Windows Home XP.

Problem:

I have bought Norton Ghost version 9 to make a COMPLETE copy ( I hope of the C drive with Windows ‘98) and place it on partition D that is currently clean.

Then I will take out the OLD Cdrive and replace with a new 20GB drive I have just bought.

After doing the copy to the F partition, my 100GB drive NOW becomes my main drive. So I change the jumper settings to reflect this.
My NEW C drive will now be my slave drive. ( I eventually want to copy F back to C later)

In the meantime HOW does my computer now start up with the 100GB drive as the main drive with both operating systems on it?

How do you make it the master Drive with 4 partitions on it?

How does it know what to look for first eg which partition?

Will some of the XP files be still looking for files it thinks were on the C drive that are now on D?



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Response Number 1
Name: plainandsimple
Date: October 19, 2005 at 01:11:37 Pacific
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"Will some of the XP files be still looking for files it thinks were on the C drive that are now on D?"

YES! the drive letters will be messed up


"How do you make it the master Drive with 4 partitions on it?"

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314058


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Response Number 2
Name: PaulPaul
Date: October 19, 2005 at 01:41:50 Pacific
Reply:

Ok them...just after I have copied from C to D and before I log of can I then rename D as C ???


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Response Number 3
Name: Richard59
Date: October 19, 2005 at 02:21:15 Pacific
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No you cannot change the drive letter of a "System" disk. Your best option is to temporarily remove the 100g drive leaving the current file structure intact. Then ghost the entire current C drive to your new 20gb drive. Replace that as primary master and reconnect your 100gb as it was originally. Your dualboot files should still point correctly.

What you need to realize is that in a normal dualboot system with 98 on C and XP on another drive, the bootfiles for both operating systems are contained entirely in the root directory of the C drive. If you format or remove the C drive you lose the bootfiles needed to boot XP.

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Response Number 4
Name: PaulPaul
Date: October 19, 2005 at 02:55:57 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks.

So I if I remove my 100Gb drive and replace my new drive in its place what will I see when I start up as I only have 98 on my old C drive will it go straight into 98. How can I run Norton Ghost with 98 to copy the whole drive assuming that starts ok.


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Response Number 5
Name: PaulPaul
Date: October 19, 2005 at 03:01:40 Pacific
Reply:

Re

What you need to realize is that in a normal dualboot system with 98 on C and XP on another drive, the bootfiles for both operating systems are contained entirely in the root directory of the C drive. If you format or remove the C drive you lose the bootfiles needed to boot XP.


Surly if I copied the C drive to my D drive as intended with Ghost then it would copy ALL the boot files needed????


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Response Number 6
Name: Richard59
Date: October 19, 2005 at 04:01:17 Pacific
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Firstly, if you remove the current 100gb disk containing drives D to G you would still be able to boot into 98 which is on the C drive. At boot you would still get the option of 98 or XP but the XP option would not function.

You could possibly copy the contents of current C into the D drive and then reconfigure the 100gb drive as primary master. The original D partition then becomes C and should boot into 98 without any difficulty. The problem arises with the boot.ini file which is used to boot XP. In your original configuration, XP is on the third partition of the second disk.
It is also called your F drive.
If you do what you have suggested, XP would then be located on the third partition of your First drive. The boot.ini file does not point that way so you could not boot XP. You may also run into a problem with drive letter allocation. XP being installed in an F drive cannot have it's drive letter changed.

Unless you want to have to format & reinstal then simply ghost the current C drive to your new harddrive and then use the new drive as a direct replacement for the original. That way you only have to ghost once and you maintain your current D,E,F & G drives including the XP operating system.

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Response Number 7
Name: Richard59
Date: October 19, 2005 at 04:15:44 Pacific
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There are detailed descriptions of the function of boot.ini available on Msoft Knowledgebase, but to give you a basic indication of how drives are referred to by the BIOS, the first harddisk(Primary Master) is called Disk 0 (Zero) the first partition on the first disk is partition 1
That is your C drive. Your second disk is actually referred to as Disk 1 so in your case XP is located on Disk 1 partition 3. Your boot.ini file is configured to boot XP in that location.

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Response Number 8
Name: PaulPaul
Date: October 19, 2005 at 06:02:39 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks Richard,

So that's what I will do...take out the 100gb do a Ghost copy then bin the old c drive. What do I call the new drive when I am copying from the old C drive? I guess I will have to make the new drive the slave while I copy to it? Then change it back to master?


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Response Number 9
Name: wanderer
Date: October 19, 2005 at 11:38:54 Pacific
Reply:

Here is how you can make this work.

Delete g:
Ghost f: to what was g: but leave the partition in place.
Ghost c: to the present d:
Remove the 10gig drive
Configure the 100gig as master.
You now have c:[98 and multiboot] d: e: and f:[xp]
Does it make sense now why I had you delete g:?

If you want to add the 10gig back [and I have no idea why you would] there are issues you need to be aware of.

It can NOT have a primary partition on this 10gig or your drive letters all get bumped. This means the 10gig will be d: and xp will be on g: which means it won't load correctly due to registry entries [like your pagefile]. solution is to wipe the drive using fdisk from a boot diskette. This makes the drive raw. Now you can boot regularly using the 100gig drive. Go into disk management in XP and create only a EXTENDED partition and then make logical drives in theat extended partition. This way you won't mess up your drives letters enumerations.

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Response Number 10
Name: Richard59
Date: October 19, 2005 at 13:46:51 Pacific
Reply:

Hey wanderer, the one step you forgot about was where the boot.ini file is pointing to for XP.
Under the current setup it is on the second disk in the third partition. If you re-arrange the drives and do all that ghosting and re-configuring the boot.ini will still be looking for XP on a second disk that no longer exists. You could of course do a manual edit of the boot.ini file or boot up using the XP CD and use recoveryconsole to run FIXBOOT and FIXMBR which will reconfigure the boot.ini to find XP in the new location.

I still believe your answer is the least efficient way to go since it involves ghosting both the 98 and XP drives to new locations with all the attendant risks. and involves removing the current G drive as well as formatting the current F once it is ghosted to where the old G was.. Don't you agree that doing a single ghosting operation of the original C drive to the new 20G drive is far less risky and certainly simpler than the process you have described? Not that youe method won't work but it is far more complex and carries far greater risk of trashing the whole system.

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Response Number 11
Name: wanderer
Date: October 19, 2005 at 16:23:13 Pacific
Reply:

Good catch on the boot.ini. You are correct though fixboot/mbr would not correct the boot.ini. Bootcfg is the utility to do that.

Personally I would just do a manual edit of the boot.ini and change disk from 1 to 0.

I think Richard59 you are missing a fundimental of drive lettering enumeration. The first primary partition of each disk is enumerated first before any other drive designations.

This makes your statement;
"That way you only have to ghost once and you maintain your current D,E,F & G drives including the XP operating system."
incorrect.

The actual drive letter assignments, being the only drive in the system, would be c,d,e,and f.

Not only would 98 not load but XP would be on e: not f: [which is why I had PaulPaul delete g: and ghost f: to g: since I knew the drive letters would change.

Remember now that 98 is dos based. So it uses msdos.sys to find where windows is. In PaulPaul's present setup that entry in msdos.sys is "c:\windows" not d:\windows. Even if you correct that you still have the same issue you do with XP; invalid registry entries.

Except for the boot.ini my plan is perfect and will take less time than booting into recovery console or doing a repair reinstall of xp.

I have done similiar [posted a year or so ago] when I combined two smaller drives with multiple partitions into a single large drive. I am using that system at home to this day.


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