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NTLDR is missing.. Where did it go?

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Name: amtamburo
Date: March 29, 2005 at 13:48:53 Pacific
OS: XP Pro
CPU/Ram: unknown
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Ok... I have wracked my brain, and talked to everyone that I know, and I am at a total loss here.

Sunday morning when I woke up and turned on my computer, it wouldn't boot up. Instead I got a message telling me that the "NTLDR is missing"! Where it went, or how it got there I have no idea, all I know is that it is gone!

I looked online, and discovered that it may be possible to copy the file from my XP setup CD by going into the Recovery Console.

This would be wonderful, and the description that I found sounds very easy... except... I don't know my Administrative password, and I can't get into the console without it!! (second-hand computer... guy I got it from doesn't remember it... and I have 3 Years worth of stuff... pictures, music, etc. saved onto it... formatting the HD, or reinstalling the OS is not something I even want to think about!!)

Can someone PLEASE help me?? Is there a way to reset the password, or bypass it? I can't stand the thought of losing 3 years of pictures of my daughter... she will never be 8, 9, or 10 again!!

Thanks...

Amtamburo

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Response Number 1
Name: nnishp
Date: March 29, 2005 at 13:56:00 Pacific
Reply:

firstly put ur hard drive into another machine and get your documents off then start messing around with it


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Response Number 2
Name: daisymay
Date: March 29, 2005 at 14:12:59 Pacific
Reply:

Hi,
This might help you....

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;q314057&ID=KB;EN-US;q314057

Daisymay


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Response Number 3
Name: salgolf
Date: March 29, 2005 at 14:15:06 Pacific
Reply:

Another sad tale of no backup. Always back up your hard drive regularly.

That said, there are ways to disable the password by changing certain jumpers on the motherboard. I don't know how to do this, but you will hear from those who do, and I would leave your hard drive where it is until there's no alternative. You may be able to do a system repair with what you have.

The only point of this message is to tell you to hold on until you hear from those who know what to do next. Of this I am sure: you will be able to recover.


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Response Number 4
Name: tomtt
Date: March 29, 2005 at 14:22:20 Pacific
Reply:

I have never had to try this but here is a tip I found>>>

The Ultimate NT Hack, Part I- for when you loose your admin password.
There is a way to recover the Administrator account, but it's tricky and requires physical access to the server. First, you must have the following:
· A regular user account that can log on locally to your NT machine. (If you already have an alternate installation of NT on the system to be recovered, skip ahead to the command prompt instruction in Part II.)
· The NT CD and s etup disks. Use the winnt /ox command to create the setup disks from the CD.
· Enough room to install a temporary copy of NT (Workstation will suffice, even on a Primary Domain Controller).
· The latest Service Pack ( http://support.microsoft.com/support/downloads/PNP281.asp ).
The Ultimate NT Hack, Part II
First, boot up from the setup floppies you created and install a copy of NT in the \TEMPNT directory on any drive. Add the latest Service Pack. Make sure the Scheduler service is running and boot the alternate installation. At a command prompt, type AT HH:MM /INTERACTIVE CMD /K where HH:MM is 10 minutes from the current time, in 24-hour format. This opens a user- interactive command prompt that will allow you to log on. Setting it for 10 minutes should give you enough time to do the recovery operation.
The Ultimate NT Hack, Part III
Edit the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\
Services\Schedule key in the Registry. Double-click on Schedule and select the subkey under Schedule. Double-click on the Schedule value name in the right-hand pane and copy the REG_BINARY string to the Clipboard. Select HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE and Load Hive from the Registry menu. When prompted for a hive file, go to your original installation's SYSTEM32\CONFIG folder and select the System hive. When you're prompted for a Key Name to mount the hive under, type ORIGSYS. When ORIGSYS appears under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, open the Select key. Write down the value for the Current entry (usually 0).
The Ultimate NT Hack, Part IV
Browse to ORIGSYS\ControlSet00n\Services\Schedule and make sure the value for Start is 0x2. Add a new subkey named 001 under Schedule and add to it the type REG_SZ with the value CMD /K; add the type REG_BINARY with the Current value you recorded from the previous step. Select ORIGSYS and Unload Hive from the Registry menu. Under Control Panel/System/Startup/Shutdown, select the Startup option that boots your original NT installation. The order in which the items are listed in the drop-down menu is the same as it appeared in BOOT.INI, so the original boot will probably be the first entry. Shut down and restart, booting your original installation.
The Ultimate NT Hack, Part V
Finally, log on as your user account and wait for the scheduled event (as detailed in Part II) to take place. When the command prompt opens, it will be under the context of the Schedule user (the user who set the schedule), as either the System account or an administrative account. If this machine is not a Primary Domain Controller, type MUSRMGR.exe. If it is, type USRMGR.exe. (If you get an error, click Yes and type your domain name.) Set the Administrator password and log off. Log back on as Administrator. You can delete your temporary NT installation.


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Response Number 5
Name: Avengerman96
Date: March 29, 2005 at 14:23:04 Pacific
Reply:

I've worked on a few computers with this issue, and as sad as it is to report, I think I've had to format each one.

Check this site out - see if it gives you any leads:

http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000465.htm



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Response Number 6
Name: salgolf
Date: March 29, 2005 at 14:27:42 Pacific
Reply:

I should have added that your System Manufacturer is not Microsoft, but is HP or Dell or Gateway or Toshiba or whatever. That info might be helpful to the person who knows how to disable the password.


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Response Number 7
Name: FJB
Date: March 29, 2005 at 14:29:00 Pacific
Reply:

At the prompt for a password just press enter and see what happens!!


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Response Number 8
Name: HiJinx
Date: March 29, 2005 at 14:32:05 Pacific
Reply:

If the machine you're on now has XP, do a fresh format on a floppy and then copy ntldr, ntdetect.com, and boot.ini onto it. They'll be in the root of c:. (You may have to go into Folder Options in Control Panel and set it to show hidden files and not hide system files). You could also check this KB article.

If you can make the floppy, put it in the other comp and try to boot. If you can, then just copy the ntldr over from the floppy.


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Response Number 9
Name: wanderer
Date: March 29, 2005 at 16:15:52 Pacific
Reply:

Salgolf amtamburo is not talking about a BIOS password which is what you are referring to but to the Recovery Console Administrator password which is required to get into RC.

Amtamburo DO NOT do as tomtt has suggested. Those procedures are from NT NOT XP !!!!

Do NOT place your hard drive in a different system. This can corrupt the disk [different controllers addressing the drive] and/or you can mess it up by running chkdsk or other utilities on the drive when its in a different machine. This can be due to how different controllers address the drives geometry.

WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS USE INSTALL TO REPAIR THE XP INSTALLATION. UNLESS YOUR DISK IS CORRUPTED ALL YOUR DATA AND APPLICATIONS WILL REMAIN AVAILABLE.

You can reset the Admin password at the same time. Suggested setting is blank. [Good suggestion by FBI to try blank password in RC] You can set a password after install on the Admin account.

Boot the XP cd via the bios. When install gets to the point of asking new install or repair choose repair. Point it to your XP install and let it go.

You will need to redo all your MS updates and service packs since you are back at pristine cd install.

The ntldr missing can be related to not defragging your drive, virus infection, disk corruption [crashing] or hacker. Make sure you have antivirus, antispyware, a functioning firewall and you defragment your drive regularly.


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Response Number 10
Name: amtamburo
Date: March 30, 2005 at 09:30:09 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for all the replies. Some of them sound pretty helpful, and more then likely would have worked!

However, in this case I opted to listen to my boyfriend (hmmm... because I had a choice right... lol), and I took my computer to his PC guy.

He is going to bypass the password, do a HD repair, and hopefully unless there are deeper problems that surface when he replaces the NTLDR file, my computer will be up and running again by tonight. All for the low price of $65!

Actually when I think about the other alternative that I was considering, (buying a new HD, installing OS on new drive, making old drive slave and new drive primary, booting up pc with new drive, and then copying files from new drive to old drive in order to repair broken NTLDR file . A pretty costly and time consuming procedure, considering there is no guarantee that it will even work!) $65 doesn’t seem like all that bad a price to pay!

Of course, if he does find other problems that can’t be fixed… then there is the whole data recovery issue… transferring the data from the old HD (whatever can be recovered) formatting the drive… reinstalling the OS, and transferring the data back to the reformatted drive. If he has to do that it will cost $129. (Still not a bad price when you consider how much I would be losing if I didn’t do this!) And if the HD is dead and can’t be repaired, it will cost $129 + the price of the new HD. (Crossing fingers... this computer is 7 years old... for the amount that I would be paying for all this, I could almost get a new computer!!)

That is where I am and what I am looking at… could be a lot worse I guess! At least when it is all said and done, I have learned a valuable lesson. BACK-UP EVERYTHING!!!! :-p

Thanks again for your help guys…

Amtamburo


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