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NTLDR is missing puzzle

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Name: dolfort
Date: July 21, 2006 at 04:41:48 Pacific
OS: WinXP Pro SP1
CPU/Ram: AthlonXP 3200+ / 1151MB R
Product: Asus A7N8X-E
Comment:

Hi there,

I've got a sort of puzzle here.
Researched a lot about it, found thread with similar problem at http://www.computing.net/windowsxp/wwwboard/forum/120487.html ,
with good possible solutions at http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000465.htm ,
but my problem remains:

2x SATA system disks as RAID1 (disk is partitioned as C and D)
+ 1x IDE disk on primary bus (as disk E)
+ 1x IDE disk (as F) with DVD-ROM (as K) on secondary bus.

I try some new applications and as I restarted my comp, it did not boot, getting message NTLDR IS MISSING.

I found that if IDE primary bus E disk is present, the system refuses to boot, plus if I run recovery console from boot CD,
I SEE "E" DISK AS BOOTING DISK RUNNING AS "C" AND MY SYSTEM SATA DISK SWITCHED TO "E".
Something in the system files or registry is referring to E disk as boot disk when it is present, gives it C letter and tries to look system on it, giving the NTLDR IS MISSING message, so Windows does not boot from SATA disk.

My system is virus free, no spyware, no nothing. Running several checks + firewall all the time.

After thorough research, I have done and checked and repaired all this:
1. SATA C disk is primary active
2. BIOS settings are OK
3. boot.ini is fixed and properly set with correct boot ID#
4. IDE E disk is formatted
5. all jumpers OK
6. IDE cable replaced for brand new one
7. SATA Raid driver OK
8. all system files at root directory on C are present and SEEM to be fine to me
9. I processed BOOTCFG (and fixed everything), also FIXBOOT and FIXMBR.
10. I did even a repair installation of Windows, which usually fixes most problems, but no success.


BUT: this happens ONLY when E disk is connected to PRIMARY IDE bus -OR- alone on the SECONDARY IDE bus without other IDE devices on the primary IDE (=primary IDE left empty).

Placing E disk on IDE secondary bus -AND- F disk + DVD drive on primary IDE bus, system works fine, booting and I see ALL my disks. This makes me back working, but the question remains. What caused it?
I really don't like the questions like that without answers! Any ideas?

dolfort



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Response Number 1
Name: Johnw
Date: July 21, 2006 at 04:54:30 Pacific
Reply:


Big question, this may be your best way.
NTLDR IS MISSING
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=NTLDR+IS+MISSING&btnG=Search&meta=


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Response Number 2
Name: seawatch
Date: July 21, 2006 at 06:16:52 Pacific
Reply:

5. all jumpers OK

I don't think so. Check again and make sure none of the drives is set for Cable Select.

Today seems like a good day to chew through the restraints.


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Response Number 3
Name: Chuck 2
Date: July 21, 2006 at 06:37:23 Pacific

Response Number 4
Name: dolfort
Date: July 21, 2006 at 07:39:20 Pacific
Reply:

Johnw: first two pages of google search for the item returned pages I've checked already. thx anyway.

seawatch: good idea, but all jumpers good. SATA disks do not have any, do they? IDE drive making conflicts with SATA has master jumper position.

Chuck2: checked before, but the point is that I actually CAN boot the system, I just need to switch conflicting drive E from primary to secondary bus.

Now when the conflicting E drive is switched to secondary IDE, I can load Windows and go to Disk Management, I see my SATA drive as DISK 2 and two other IDE disks as DISK 0 and DISK 1, the conflicting E drive being 0 DISK.

==== Which means, something prefers to the primary partition on IDE primary bus (which is exactly drive E), not to primary partition on SATA, leaving SATA drive system behind and not booting from it even though it is present. ====

my boot.ini says:
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS

and if I put E disk to primary IDE, BIOS tries to boot from it only, not from SATA drive.

so if I just simply rewrite it to
multi(0)disk(2)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS

then everything would be alright and I assume I could boot even with the "bad" drive on the primary IDE, not secondary.
But I'd prefer making my system SATA drive back to DISK 0 as it was before, clean and tidy. System drive is system drive, you know..
I'll try to have some closer look to BIOS settings again.

many thanks for trying to help!

dolfort


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Response Number 5
Name: wanderer
Date: July 21, 2006 at 08:24:29 Pacific
Reply:

Did you check the boot order in the bios? Perhaps its set to ide which is why it boots over the sata.

rewriting the boot.ini doesn't matter since booting order is already established via the bios. You would also have the ide be c: which would mess up 1000's of registry pointers

Give a person a fish, they eat for a day. Suggest they internet search and they learn a skill for a lifetime.


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Response Number 6
Name: Chuck 2
Date: July 21, 2006 at 08:35:09 Pacific

Response Number 7
Name: dolfort
Date: July 21, 2006 at 09:36:44 Pacific
Reply:

wanderer: checked BIOS several times, SATA boot allowed, boot order: HDD 0, Boot other device YES. did I miss anything?
Anyway, I feel we should look for the hack quite there, somewhere in BIOS..
I’m pretty much aware what could messing up system drive letter change cause to the registry and definitely do not want to get there.


dolfort


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Response Number 8
Name: dolfort
Date: July 21, 2006 at 12:58:29 Pacific
Reply:

solution was as simple as that:
as I succeeded to boot up windows with E disk on secondary IDE, I opened Partition Magic just to find that that disk on IDE bus had been set as "active", which was causing conflicts with another "active" primary partition on SATA bus.
So I made E disk partition non-active and situaltion solved.
If one cannot load Windows, the same can be made with floppy disk and FDISK utility.

Some links on this issue:
http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/partitions/partition_types-2.html

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/c28621675.mspx

http://lists.naos.co.nz/pipermail/wellylug/2001-June/000259.html

dolfort


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Response Number 9
Name: Johnw
Date: July 21, 2006 at 17:39:47 Pacific
Reply:

Good news dolfort, thanks for all the info.


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Response Number 10
Name: Johnw
Date: July 21, 2006 at 18:24:24 Pacific

Response Number 11
Name: dolfort
Date: July 22, 2006 at 00:21:30 Pacific
Reply:

many thx guys for your support!

dolfort


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Response Number 12
Name: ssuuddoo
Date: July 24, 2006 at 04:50:11 Pacific
Reply:

you all R great with your help.
..will post some letters here when a problem appears at my place.

=o)
ssuuddoo


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