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No floppy=No RAIDdriver=No Install?

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Name: sjrsos
Date: July 9, 2006 at 20:54:18 Pacific
OS: WIn XP x64
CPU/Ram: AMD 3000 x64
Product: Me - Asus A8V
Comment:

I have a couple of WD 160G SATA drives that I want to run in RAID-0. Got them plugged in and formatted and I want to do a fresh install of WinXP x64.

Problem is that to get the OS install disc to recognize the drives, I need to first install the RAID drivers. Currently when the install starts it fails because it says there is no hard drive. My motherboard documentation instructs that I need to create and intall these drivers via a floppy drive... but I don't have one.

What is the workaround for this, or do I need to go out and buy a floppy drive? It seems ridiculous that I should need a floppy drive at this point. Can't I just load these drivers from a CD or a USB drive?



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Response Number 1
Name: KickedUrAss4Help
Date: July 9, 2006 at 21:08:05 Pacific
Reply:

go out and buy a USB floppy drive there not that expensive and you may need it someday for something elese


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Response Number 2
Name: Michael J (by mjdamato)
Date: July 9, 2006 at 21:11:15 Pacific

Response Number 3
Name: Michael J (by mjdamato)
Date: July 9, 2006 at 21:15:41 Pacific
Reply:

And another thought. You could try using a USB flash drive. Some motherboards are capable as recognizing them as the a: drive.

Plus, I believe with some motherboards (nForce4 for example) the RAID capabilities for the SATA connectors for the nForce chipset are native to the motherboard and you shouldn't need drivers. If you have that type of board make sure you are using the SATA connectors from the nForce chipset and not the additional SATA headers which are added through a 3rd party chip.

Michael J


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Response Number 4
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: July 9, 2006 at 23:02:45 Pacific
Reply:

If the mboard came with SATA onboard, check out the CD that came with the mboard - the same SATA drivers are often on the mboard CD somewhere as well, often in uncompressed form.

If you don't find them there, you'll have to either:
- download, extract if necessary, and burn the needed files onto a CD (a DVD disk probably won't be recognized early in Setup), or
- borrow or get yourself a USB floppy drive, assuming a USB floppy drive is recognized in the first part of Setup.

I don't know about Win XPx64 , but recently I found that in XP MCE 2005 SP2 (which is XP Pro SP2 with some features removed and multimedia features added), and probably all other XP's, USB flash drives are not recognized until much later in Setup, when it's too late to install the SATA drivers, so they're useless at the beginning of Setuo and till later in Setup.


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Response Number 5
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: July 9, 2006 at 23:20:44 Pacific
Reply:

The mboard I discovered that on is an Asus A7V600 model, about two years old. It's bios can be set to boot from a USB floppy drive, so it seems it's bios has no problem recognizing a USB drive - whether Windows Setup can in it's earlier stages is another matter.
If your mboard is old enough that it's bios can't recognize a USB floppy drive, even if Windows can once Windows is loaded, Setup may not be able to recognize a USB floppy drive in it's earlier stages in that case.


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Response Number 6
Name: sjrsos
Date: July 9, 2006 at 23:35:00 Pacific
Reply:

I tried the USB drive option but it didn't take. The actual response now is "The disk cannot be read because it contais an unrecognized file system." either because:

a) The MB won't really recognize a drive of 1G as a floppy and that's what I have. It says that in the BIOS config that I can force a USB drive to be recognized as a floppy but it needs to be 530M or smaller.

or

b) The "disk" doesn't get formatted correctly. To create the driver disk I'm supposed to run makedisk.exe from the MB support CD. This program will not create the disk to the flash drive so on another PC I created the floppy and then copied it to the flash drive. Still didn't work though. Roxio disc copier wouldn't let me copy the A) drive so that way didn't work either.

Thanks for all the help so far. I guess at this point I could pull the floppy out of the other PC, put it in the new one and presumably it would work. What bugs me about this solution is that it seems ridiculous that I need to use a floppy driveat all. I haven't used one for anything in at least 3 years and I know many computers that don't have them anymore.


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Response Number 7
Name: Michael J (by mjdamato)
Date: July 10, 2006 at 06:42:36 Pacific
Reply:

In response to your 2nd to last post:

a) You could try repartitioning the USB drive into a smaller size. make sure it is formatted as Fat16

b) You should be able to get the drivers in an uncompressed format from the manufacturer site or on the MB CD. Just need to copy them to the USB drive. Or, on the other computer use the makedisc utility to create the floppy, then copy the files from the floppy to the USB. If you want them on a CD and roxio doesn't support burning from a floppy - copy them to your hard drive first.

Lastly, if the green light on the floppy is on all the time, then the data cable is installed backwards. Just reverse it at one end (either at the MB or at the drive) and it should work fine.

Michael J


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Response Number 8
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: July 10, 2006 at 07:39:58 Pacific
Reply:

The USB flash drive I used is 512mb and formatted FAT (FAT16), the way it was formatted when I purchased it. Every operating system I have tried it on (Win 98, 98SE, ME; 2000, original to SP4; XP Home, Pro, and MCE, original to SP2) can read it no problem, once the operating system has been installed (Win 98 and 98SE require a one time driver install).

I was assuming sjrsos's computer didn't come with a standard floppy drive, and there is no connector/header on the mboard to attach a standard floppy data cable to (which is the case with some recent mboards). If he does have a standard 34 pin position connector/ header, and a external 3.5" wide space in the case to install a floppy drive, a cheap way to go is to buy a standard floppy drive and a standard floppy data cable and install them.


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