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Name: dragonette
Date: February 9, 2006 at 18:55:48 Pacific
OS: Windows XP
CPU/Ram: Pentium R / 4CPU / 1.70 G
Product: Dell 4400
Comment:

My husband is trying to install a new (larger) hard drive as his boot drive, but the "Reinstallation XP Home Edition" disc is not recognized when he boots the machine. We tried using an MS-Dos Boot disc, but the only drives that are valid is the A: and the B:
Is there a way around this?

Any help would be appreciated



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Response Number 1
Name: blackbill
Date: February 9, 2006 at 19:03:17 Pacific
Reply:

Has the new hard drive been formatted/partitioned?

Is the master/slave switch set right?


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Response Number 2
Name: XpUser
Date: February 9, 2006 at 19:04:58 Pacific
Reply:

"Reinstallation XP Home Edition" disc

Is this a Dell-supplied CD?

i_XpUser


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Response Number 3
Name: lukeles
Date: February 9, 2006 at 19:26:22 Pacific
Reply:

You can use Dos command - fdisk to create partition and format


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Response Number 4
Name: dragonette
Date: February 9, 2006 at 19:28:53 Pacific
Reply:

We did not change the master/slave switch, we just took out the old drive and put in the new one.

And yes, it is a Dell-supplied disc.

Again, thanks for your input.

--Ann


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Response Number 5
Name: Sabertooth
Date: February 9, 2006 at 19:31:03 Pacific
Reply:

Did you configure the CDROM drive as the first/primary boot device in the BIOS ?

StopBadware


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Response Number 6
Name: IamBiGePaNtS
Date: February 9, 2006 at 19:31:08 Pacific
Reply:

did you set the BIOS to boot to the C/D drive first ?

Did you auto detect the Hard Drive (also in the BIOS) ?

You say only drives avaiable are A drive and B drive ... A is your Floppy Right ... But what is your B drive (haven't used that in years !!!)?


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Response Number 7
Name: XpUser
Date: February 9, 2006 at 19:35:25 Pacific
Reply:

Since this is a Dell-supplied disc, it will not work on the replaced HD. You need to visit Dell site to download a file to create the hidden partition. Then you can use the DellCD to install windows.

i_XpUser


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Response Number 8
Name: Sabertooth
Date: February 9, 2006 at 20:07:29 Pacific
Reply:

http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/kb/en/document?dn=1082607&l=en&langid=1&c=us&cs=19&s=dhs#One

https://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/dsn/en/tree?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&journalid=&treeid=FFA33DA99941FEDFE030030ABD62041A

StopBadware


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Response Number 9
Name: trvlr
Date: February 10, 2006 at 07:25:01 Pacific
Reply:

The problems these recovery CDs cause are legion...; posts 7 and 8 should get you going...


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Response Number 10
Name: dragonette
Date: February 11, 2006 at 07:12:04 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks. This makes since.

We'll retry this weekend.

Ya'll are great.

--Ann


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Response Number 11
Name: dragonette
Date: February 11, 2006 at 11:25:55 Pacific
Reply:

Ok. We haven't tried your suggestions, yet.
However, my husband did some research of his own and someone has suggested a copy/paste method. The theory is to transfer everything from the C: to the new drive, including the operating system. Then, the plan is to swap the cable connectors and assign the new drive as master and the old drive as slave, power down and reboot.

Question #1
Will this work?

--Ann

p.s. Questions #2, 3, and 4 won't matter if the answer to #1 is no.



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Response Number 12
Name: trvlr
Date: February 11, 2006 at 14:52:53 Pacific
Reply:

Rather than copy "everything" (OS/apps/utils/data etc...) to the new/larger drive... (more thoughts etc. on that below), perhaps simply use the new drive as data-only.. Transfer (via XP Explorer) all data etc. from old to new drive; use new drive for storage only.

Verify all transferred files are valid/accessible etc., then erase them from the current/older drive. This will free up space on the older drive and you have mases of space on the newr drive?

Equally you could leave them on the old drive as well as having copies on new drive; any new files/data etc. would go only to new drive?

If using new drive for data only... Partition the new drive to have both Primary and Extended partitions; make Primary large enough to accomodate XP (or another OS) installation - with apps/utils etc.; it could be perhaps 10Gig. and formatted as fat32. Extended can be balance of drive or sub-divided into two or more logical-drives - for easier data access/defrags etc...; again fat32

You could set this drive up from within current XP installation (drive manageme nt utils); or use a '98 boot-disk - but be "very careful" to address correct drive when using '98 Fdisk/format utils... Perhaps disconnect current/working drive whilst you use the '98 bootdisk with the newer drive - safety precaution?

By establishing a Primary partition + Extended partition on new drive, you have the option in the future to install an OS etc. and make the drive fully bootable etc... But until you do that you can use Primary for data storage too... An all-in-one drive (single partition only for everything...) is not really a good way to run a system... Data separated from the OS etc. is wiser; allows for recovery/re-installation of a damaged OS etc. (including a reformat of thePrimary partition only if need-be) - without affecting the data areas (unless one is a little careless...)
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Re' copying "everything" to new drive...

I have a feeling that you may still need that irritating "hidden partition" even if you did a straight cut/paste routine... And the cut/paste approach may not/won't take across the hidden partition - as you may not/won't be able to access it?

However...

Most new drives come with a utility that allows you transfer (copy) the old drive across entirely... I "think" this includes the hidden recovery partition too - if exists (and it usually does on most major brand systems...)

If you don't have the util - it wasn't with the drive when you bought it, you can "usually" download it from the drive-manufacturer's web-site.

What make drive is it?

Also the Maxtor utilities often work OK with other makes of drive. If the util isn't on the web-site for your drive (and it's not a Maxtor) then you might consider downloading the Maxtor util etc...? (Also the Seagat e utilsmay work - and they're part of Maxtor anyway...)

It won't (didn't ought to...) hurt to try the Maxtor util if needs-be?

Other option... you use a drive-copy util - one of the standard $$$/£££ items that are around; possibly Norton Ghost wil do the jobtoo?

Before you start anything though... first BACKUP all data etc - and any critical drivers you mave stored on the current drive; i.e. copy to removeable media - and verify the copies are accessible/valid - before you go any further thereafter.

Remember too, you will have to make the new drive bootable (fixboot/fixmbr routine via a CD boot - or the 6 floppies + CD) - regardless of how make the copy...

A couple of post etc. re' this issue - includng the WPA item you need to be acrross...

http://www.computing.net/windowsxp/wwwboard/forum/146512.html

http://www.geocities.com/pc_files_transfer/

the latter reference discusses Acronis... It gets excellent reports here from assorted users...

Again... before you go any further - BACKUP/coppy off the drive completely - all data/critical downloads/drivers etc.; and verify the copies are OK. Safety first...


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Response Number 13
Name: dragonette
Date: February 12, 2006 at 19:33:28 Pacific
Reply:

Success!

We used the Maxtor Utilities to prepare the new drive as our new boot drive. Then we took out the old tiny boot drive, switched its jumper to Master, moved it to the Master bedroom, put our other add-on drive back in and rebooted successfully.

It was all as smooth as silk!

Thanks so much to all of you for your tips and suggestions.

As I've said so many times before, ya'll are awesome!

--Ann


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