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My appologies XP Home owners (long)

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Name: michael RANTING
Date: May 31, 2002 at 23:36:22 Pacific
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After many (many) years in the computer industry, today I have been humbled as, I think, never before. I've read lots of posts regarding the problems people have had networking XP Home and I couldn't understand why they were having so many problems. I've networked through DOS, WinX, NT, 2k, XP Pro and .Net and never had much of a problem (that I didn't create myself).

Today, I walked a mile in a Home "Owner" shoes. I got to try adding an XP Home system to an existing network. What an experience :(
XP Home edition has got to be one of the most castrated, abortions that has ever been made. Makes ME look like gold.

The relatively easy file sharing we've been accustomed to in Win95, 98, ME, 2k and XP Pro is completely gone. "Windows XP Home Edition-based computers always have Simple File Sharing enabled" (Q304040). So no more share read/write passwords (I think). Didn't find out about Fsmgmt.msc until researching later, so I couldn't try it. And what's with the "Remote users always authenticate as the Guest account" when using Simple File Sharing?

Speaking of accounts, no Local Users and Groups. By design, the only way to utilize the real Administrator account is in Safe mode. And most OEM machines come with that password blank.

BTW, Safe Mode, that's how you have to change NTFS file and folder permissions (Q308418). "If you are running Windows XP Home Edition, in order to have access to the Security tab, you must first boot to Safe Mode and log on with an account that has Administrative rights." (Q308421). Make your own share (FAT32), take off the Read only check and it comes back! Haven't figured out that one yet.

Administrative shares - not automatically made (Q282209). Didn't know before hand, so I didn't try to make any and don't know if they will work. IMHO, this is a good thing though, I've always added AutoShareWks or Server =0 to turn them off.

No Group Policy editor (gpedit.msc) that I could find. Maybe TweakUi will work and save me time manually editing the registry.

"For Windows XP Home Edition, the maximum number of other computers that are permitted to simultaneously connect over the network is five." (Q314882)

At least adding the wireless/ethernet router to share the internet connection went without a hitch. Except for fat fingering the laptops touch pad. I'd accidentally deleted File and Print sharing as well as Client for MS Networks some how. Q299357 How to Reset Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) in Windows XP wasn't much help. Couldn't re-install them either for some reason (error was something like XP couldn't find the inf file for them). Thank which ever deity for System Restore!

As the guy I was doing this for said :

"Microsoft expected him to be able to figure this all out, HA".

All I can say is, maybe I will apply for that Unix Admin job I was sent and to hades with the thousands I've spent learning, relearning and certifying on MS products (though they want those certs as well as the moon too).

Thanks for your time,
michael



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Response Number 1
Name: freddy
Date: June 1, 2002 at 01:54:19 Pacific
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well said


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Response Number 2
Name: vtl
Date: June 1, 2002 at 05:55:49 Pacific
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So typical of Microsoft. Did Microsoft even consider the user when writing some of their XP code?


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Response Number 3
Name: Richard S.
Date: June 1, 2002 at 08:57:56 Pacific
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Their only consideration for the user how much of the his or her bank account they can get.


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Response Number 4
Name: Kevin The Tech Dude
Date: June 1, 2002 at 10:33:51 Pacific
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This is why it is called Windows Xp "Home" It was not designed for networking. This is one of the reasons we tell folks to purchase the Pro version of the OS when asked. Anywho, life goes on.

:)

KTTD


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Response Number 5
Name: michael
Date: June 1, 2002 at 10:57:02 Pacific
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KTTD,

Yea, I agree with you and always recommend Pro over Home. But the Internet is all about networking.

People flock to the OEM systems (we won't start up on that); a lot of OEM's come with XP Home instead of Pro. And they won't offer Pro as an upgrade choice. Some go as far as stating that if you change the OS, they won't support you.

I had read of the differences between Home and Pro, never realizing just how mangled the networking was in Home. Until I tried it.

michael


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Response Number 6
Name: jimbojones
Date: June 1, 2002 at 14:28:03 Pacific
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KTTD,

That's a crock of **** and you know it. Win95,Win98,ME all had far better networking capabilities than Home. Were they more professional than XP home. Why did MS strip it out. According to the Redmond, Windows is "non-modular" - you can't take out pieces without breaking the OS was the defense during the antitrust trial. It's a cash grab plain and simple. Think about all those Win9x clients in all the offices and then realize that MS will get ~$100 more per machine when they are upgraded because to join company domains they will have to spring for the Pro clients.

Jimbo


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Response Number 7
Name: Kevin The Tech Dude
Date: June 1, 2002 at 15:21:11 Pacific
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Michale,

I can understand your frustration but as Jimbo stated this is why MS did rip out a lot of the networking features. If Xp Home had the same abilities as Pro you would have all these small and some large companies using it. Is MS being greedy? I don't think so, they are in business to make money. That is normaly the idea behind a company is to make money. Anyways, I could rant and rave all day long but I won't. I also don't feel it is a crock of s---.

Laters,

KTTD

Quote of the day

"Opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one and they all stink"


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Response Number 8
Name: michael
Date: June 5, 2002 at 11:50:05 Pacific
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Update:

After many hours of reading and research (thanks to whomever for the link to d/l the XP reskit chm) I got to try some of the things I learnt.

Booted into Safe mode, signed on as Owner.

LSURMGR.msc cannot be run on XP Home.

Running FSMGMT.msc did give me the Shared Permissions Tab on any shared folders, just like in XP Pro when you disable Use Simply File Sharing. This enabled me to give full access rights to the Everyone group (its on an internal network that's firewalled so no problems there) so that the folder I had original shared could be written to (on a FAT32 disk) over the network. Strangely enough, after booting back into normal mode, that folder still has Read Only set in the properties. Didn't matter, as the other system could still write to the share over the network. Go figure.

On Simple file sharing. There is a key in the registry that is in Pro but not Home.

LocalMachine\Software\Microsoft\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced\Folder\SimpleSharing

In Pro, the RegPath key points to the

LocalMachine\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\LSA

key that contains the FORCEGUEST entry. Changing FORCEGUEST to = 0 will turn off Simple file sharing and not force network users to attach to the machine as guest over the network.

I didn't want to muck around too much with the guy's brand new OEM (HP) machine, so I didn't try adding all the keys to see what would happen. Still didn't find out if the Administrator account is actually there, or try to change the password.

HTH someone else
michael


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Response Number 9
Name: Matt
Date: July 21, 2002 at 12:38:48 Pacific
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on the topic of XP Home...
A file has appeared on my harddrive as a result of a download from Kazaa :/ and i am unable to delete it.
I think i can delete it from DOS but can u actually get on DOS in XP Home?

Thanks,
Matt


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Response Number 10
Name: herman
Date: July 31, 2002 at 03:23:11 Pacific
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neither one of xp home or xp prof can share folders with password prompt..,anyway the best one is win2000 prof


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