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Hard Drive Going Bad - Need to Clon

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Name: oj12345
Date: April 14, 2008 at 04:38:06 Pacific
OS: XP Service Pack 2
CPU/Ram: AMD DUron/ 1gb
Comment:

Hello I have a 160 gb WD IDE HD that is going bad. Windows keep giving me corrupt errors when windows loads up. I have also noticed that when I try to back-up my cds with by DVD burner, the computer will automatically reboot when I put in the blank cd.

I just bought a 320 GB IDE/ATA HD and i want to clone my 160Gb to this 320Gb Hd. how do I do that. I also want to partition the HD because I know windows have a problem with HD over 135Gb. Which order would I also do this in? Do I clone first then partition or vice versa or can I do both processes at one time? If so how do I do it and is there any recommended software or program to do this the easiest.

I have a AMD Duron 1300 mhz computer, PCChips M825 mobo, 1gb ram, running windows xp pro SP2.

Thanks.



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Response Number 1
Name: OtheHill
Date: April 14, 2008 at 05:08:50 Pacific
Reply:

Before cloning the drive I would investigate other possible causes.

I don't think your MBoard is capable of handling any harddrive over 127GB. There are two aspects involved. The BIOS and the OS. Reboot your system and watch the startup screens to see if the 160GB drive is properly identified by model and capacity. I think you will find that the BIOS is only seeing 127/137GB of the drive.

When you have those conditions combined with WinXP sp2 you will eventually end up with data corruption. Just because WinXP appears to be utilizing the entire drive does not make it so. Look at the link below for further explanation on 48bit LBA compliance.

http://www.48bitlba.com/index.htm


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Response Number 2
Name: wanderer
Date: April 14, 2008 at 08:35:40 Pacific
Reply:

None of the conditions you mentioned would lead me to consider your hard drive as going bad.

Run chkdsk /r on the drive
Run disk cleanup
Run defrag

Then download the drive manufacturers utilities and run them on the drive. They will tell you if the drive is good or not.

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Response Number 3
Name: oj12345
Date: April 14, 2008 at 10:05:14 Pacific
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I tried the following since I started getting the corrup drive erros:

Run chkdsk /r on the drive - I did this however I still got corrupt errors after completion.

Run disk cleanup - I did this however I still got corrupt errors after completion.

Run defrag - I am unable to do in windows. Everytime I try to defrag windows tells me that it cannot defrag because "chkdsk" is scheduled to run. Even after I do the chkdsk it still tells me I cannot defrag because "chkdsk" is scheduled to run. I no onger can defrag within Windows anymore. I used O&O defrag software to defrag now.


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Response Number 4
Name: OtheHill
Date: April 14, 2008 at 11:17:57 Pacific
Reply:

Did you look at the startup screens as I suggested. If I am correct you aren't going to fix the file system on that drive.


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Response Number 5
Name: don1
Date: April 14, 2008 at 13:20:33 Pacific
Reply:

"I have a AMD Duron 1300 mhz computer, PCChips M825 mobo, 1gb ram, running windows xp pro SP2".

Your computer wont recognize new HD(320Gb).

You need bios update, if available or just buy pci Hdd contoller card (particular for your new HD).


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Response Number 6
Name: oj12345
Date: April 14, 2008 at 17:39:21 Pacific
Reply:

Sorry for the late response. I just got home and now logging on to home computer.

I looked at the startup as suggested and it does recognize the 160gb Wd HD.

There was a suggestion that I would need a pci Hdd controller card, but would I need it if I partition the drive into 2 160gb partitions?

Also I think I had gotten a pci controller card when I bought the Wd 160gb, but it would not work when I installed it. HD would not boot up from the controller card.



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Response Number 7
Name: OtheHill
Date: April 15, 2008 at 00:37:48 Pacific
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"I looked at the startup as suggested and it does recognize the 160gb Wd HD". Just to clarify that statement, your startup screens show the drive as 160GB capacity? Or are you just seeing the model number with the 160 in the string?

Is this computer of the same vintage as the 1300 duron, or is the duron running in something newer?


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Response Number 8
Name: oj12345
Date: April 15, 2008 at 04:14:34 Pacific
Reply:

When I go into the bios and I do an auto detection of the HD it shows 160Gb. I also do not see anything that shows 137Gb as the default space available on the 160GB HD.

Unsure about the vintage of the 1300duron. I got this computer from someone. It was built at a local computer store in 2001 or 2002.


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Response Number 9
Name: OtheHill
Date: April 15, 2008 at 07:44:55 Pacific
Reply:

Well, that is surprising. If the BIOS is showing the full drive size then the BIOS is 48bit LBA compliant.

In that case I suggest you try the items mentioned in response #2.


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Response Number 10
Name: oj12345
Date: April 15, 2008 at 10:27:13 Pacific
Reply:

OtheHill please see my response #3. I tried those steps and still get error.


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Response Number 11
Name: OtheHill
Date: April 15, 2008 at 10:42:45 Pacific
Reply:

You don't mention if you ran the manufacturers drive fitness test or not.

If you can still access most data on the drive I suggest you backup the data to whatever backup media you have available and IF the drive passes the fitness test then reformat and install WinXP SP2.

Does your WinXP install CD include at least SP1 or better on the CD?

What file system is in use on this drive? FAT32 or NTFS? FAT32 does not support files over 4GB in size. Placing a file larger than that on a FAT32 partition will result in crc errors.

I suggest you read the entire article linked below and check your registry.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/303013


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Response Number 12
Name: oj12345
Date: April 16, 2008 at 04:31:31 Pacific
Reply:

I did run the manufacturers drive test intially when problem started and everything ran ok.

My windows install cd had at least XP SP1.

I am also using the NTFS file system for the drive.

I used the link and my ata.sys file is up to date. It even has a later version than the one mentioned for usesage.

I f I do a fresh install how would I get my softwares and drivers on a separate mdeia device? I have alot of software that my kids and wife uses that I don't want to lose or risk them not working.

What do I do with the 320 GB HD? Can I install it as is or do I need to partition the drive?

THanks.


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Response Number 13
Name: OtheHill
Date: April 16, 2008 at 06:29:59 Pacific
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You can install as one partition but I would recommend creating multiple partitions. If you have four users then create four partitions.

"I have alot of software that my kids and wife uses that I don't want to lose or risk them not working". ALL data on ANY drive is ALWAYS at risk. If you don't have intallation files (CDs) for this software there is no way that I know of other than cloning.

Drivers shouldn't be a big deal to replace. Download a program like SIW.exe to find out what hardware is in use in your computer. Then get the drivers for the hardware and copy to CD for future use.

If you haven't gotten the idea yet, cloning probably won't solve your basic problems.

Why don't you have installation disks for your programs. If they were downloaded the download file should work again and that is what you would backup.

Going back to your original post the consensus here seems to be the drive is not the problem. You just stated you ran a fitness test that passed. That means something else is the problem. Bad or dirty RAM can cause data coruption. You can run memtest86 from a bootable floppy to test the RAM. You can clean corroded contacts with a pencil eraser or by removing and re-installing multiple times.

The power supply would be suspect because of the computer rebooting when you run your burner. You can try to determine the cause of the reboot by changing the settings in Windows to not automatically reboot. You should then see error screens. Look at the link at the bottom of this post to see how to disable auto restart.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/...


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