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Name: XpUser
Date: April 7, 2006 at 07:03:42 Pacific
OS: XP Home & PRO All SP2
CPU/Ram: 2.02GHz/512RAM
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The internet as we know it will soon be a two-tier internet.

Yesterday the U.S. Congress rejected the net neutrality bill. The purpose of this bill was to prevent the telecoms companies from charging websites extra for faster downloading.

In other words, you & I may be forced to travel the local roads instead of the internet super highway unless we are willing to pay more for the premium service :-(

Full story HERE


i_XpUser



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Response Number 1
Name: Michael J (by mjdamato)
Date: April 7, 2006 at 08:28:52 Pacific
Reply:

How do you come to that conclusion?

The bill was aimed at webhosting companies, not ISPs. So the costs are borne by the website ownsers, not the people visiting the sites.

And, anyway, paying more for more bandwidth is how things are done NOW! I don't see any two-tier internet now, so why would not passing a law against the current practice change anything?

Companies should pay more for better service. If every hosting company had to provide the same service to all of it's clients, the cost for the small websites would rise, increasing the barrier to entry for "personal" websites.

Michael J


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Response Number 2
Name: mesich
Date: April 7, 2006 at 08:38:01 Pacific
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Hi XpUser, Michael J, hello everyone,

I must be missing something also. With any of the webhost companies I use there are several different plans to choose from. More bandwidth more money, more storage more money.

I don't understand what the proposed bill would change.

Best Regards and Wishes,
Mesich, Webmaster of mesich.com
Currently stored on a temporary webhost.


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Response Number 3
Name: XpUser
Date: April 7, 2006 at 08:38:40 Pacific
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Alright I hope I've jumped to conclusion too soon but please read this and tell me what you think. I value your opinion :-)

i_XpUser


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Response Number 4
Name: XpUser
Date: April 7, 2006 at 08:47:58 Pacific
Reply:

The first article mentioned The subcommittee said instead that the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) will rule on the matter.

If it is of any tellable signs, the FCC last month have lifts regulations on Verizon's high-speed data services just by not taking any action at the conference in Las Vegas, Nevada. BTW Verizon is the nation's largest DSL ISP with Comcast. Comcast is in it too.


i_XpUser


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Response Number 5
Name: XpUser
Date: April 7, 2006 at 09:02:00 Pacific
Reply:

THIS is the news article regarding FCC & Verizon. If you read it carefully you should be able to decipher its impact on all of individual users.

i_XpUser


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Response Number 6
Name: Michael J (by mjdamato)
Date: April 7, 2006 at 09:14:24 Pacific
Reply:

"Alright I hope I've jumped to conclusion too soon but please read this and tell me what you think."

Well, I think the author is sensationalizing the issue to make the article more appealing. If the ISP did prioritize traffic, they could only prioritize the traffic under theor control. Unless they were ALL to collude (which is illegal and difficult to do with the number of companies) as soon as one company started doing this many of their companies would switch to another provider.

It is very difficult to start charging for something that was not being charged for when there are a large number of companies offering the same services. Do you remember when you had to "buy" a browser? Unless someone came out with a new browser that makes me breakfast, I would never shell out money for one when there are so many good free alternatives. The recent changes with web mail services is also a good example. As soon as Gmail started offering 1GB storage, all the other providers had greatly increase their storage to compete.

Michael J


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Response Number 7
Name: Michael J (by mjdamato)
Date: April 7, 2006 at 09:16:20 Pacific
Reply:

"THIS is the news article regarding FCC & Verizon."

The last sentence in the first paragraph just reaffirms what I just said:

"But Verizon will likely keep its prices in line with competitors in an effort to remain competitive."

Michael J


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Response Number 8
Name: XpUser
Date: April 7, 2006 at 09:24:04 Pacific
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With all due respect I don't think the author is sensationalizing the issue. I've been following the matter of Net Neutrality for months. Take a look at this table. This is about Silicon Money where technology companies are spending their political dollars to buy the Comgress for their own profitability. Oh well maybe I'm hypeing it up :-)

i_XpUser


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Response Number 9
Name: XpUser
Date: April 7, 2006 at 09:25:49 Pacific
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OK let's put this to rest for now. We can revisit this thread in 6 months and see where we are.

i_XpUser


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Response Number 10
Name: johns3
Date: April 7, 2006 at 09:29:34 Pacific
Reply:

1.
Bandwidth is how the internet works.

ISP's must pay a $$ amount for the Bandwidth they provide.
That cost must be passed on to those that use/want the most bandwidth.

2. http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,124558,00.asp

What is this lady talking about!
I go to sites all the time that seem to run slower some days. Its not because the sites are being resticted by the ISP. Its because 20,000 other people happen to accessing that same site at the same time.

Is the ISP suppose to run a DS3 to every company that wants bandwidth? At a cost of $5000-15000/month + local loop + set up costs.


3.
This bill did not seem to make much sence at all to me. If you read http://www.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/EPO0543.pdf .

Providers would have to submit a reason why they blocked doamins for spam issues and such within 3 days of a complaint?

This does not have any thing to do with bandwidth.

Sure lets open the flood gates for spam, and create a FCC nightmare for complaints.


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Response Number 11
Name: bobhome
Date: April 7, 2006 at 10:07:18 Pacific
Reply:

Hi,
I thought this was an XP forum, as you who are having the argument normally soon tell a poster who inadvertantly makes a mistake.

Bob


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Response Number 12
Name: XpUser
Date: April 7, 2006 at 10:12:07 Pacific
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XP Forum attract all kind of posts - virus, hardware, network, off-the-wall topics, you name it. Maybe the moderator ought to enforce rules and delete every posts not related to Windows XP Operating system.

i_XpUser


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Response Number 13
Name: bobhome
Date: April 7, 2006 at 10:51:31 Pacific
Reply:

Hi XpUser,
I was not getting at you, I was just making a point. It does not bother me what they post about in this forum, network / software virus / hardware, at least you know they are using XP so it makes it easier to answer their problems knowing they are using xp O/S

Bob


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Response Number 14
Name: street1
Date: April 7, 2006 at 18:04:34 Pacific
Reply:

I can only say this...

Anything that the FCC and government officials debate or argue over we lose.

Bell telephone was torn apart because of their monopoly and to control costs to consumers back when telephone service was really cheap.

So when SBC bought Comcast your right back where it started but,your wallet is a lot
lighter.

All the governments need to stay out of private industry and learn how to operate the government.


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Response Number 15
Name: lurkswithin
Date: April 7, 2006 at 18:47:57 Pacific
Reply:

Hi XpUser,

I must say that you have really stirred the hornets nest on this one my friend. LOL

As a conspiracy theorist, my thoughts run similar to yours in that this is really kind of scary when looked at on a single basis and then crossing to a joint happening. But as I see it, I think that the problem already is in practice but thought of as a proprietary protection policy. The Bill was just a foundation to try to clarify this self protection policy.
Free interprise will always dictate as to what will or will not be tolerated. A perfect example of this is windows and how the world went nuts over being forced to use IE as it's only browser.... and then with the operating systems themselves and what all has been developed in the name of "open source". The same thing will happen here...the world will balk on anyone that tries to push the limits too far....

Sony with the rootkit trying to protect its own interest opened the door on the proprietary rights issues and now every time a major player tries to out do itself there is a public out cry.

AOL was pushing their controls on everyone..had to use their media player and Mac with quicktime....these companies lost money big time over these issues and had to back up and run different approaches.

Yahoo hurt AOL with their search and tool bars then yahoo bought out gator's parent company and pushed big time as malware/spyware blockers but in fact was termed as being in partnership with the companies and they had to clean-up their acts.

The saga will contine.

With the coming of internet 2 and the relative speeds that are opening the web as we speak...(I am almost 3 times as fast as I was a year ago with no pay increases at all)..
and with more and more people signing up everyday, along with the international boundaries and rulings that will be set from each country....I really don't see this issue being a problem.

What I see here is similar to cell phone providers and what they offered customers to intice them over...and that is what congress sees also... It really just has to be getting bigger/faster/better.

We may get short sighted from time to time, but there will always be someone like you or me or others that are going to blow the whistle and make someone else take a different look at the same problems. We may not always see eye to eye but just the fact that it is being debated is enough to make a difference.

I thank you for that opportunity!

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