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I have recently bought IL 2 forgotten battles which is great!!! Initially I used a mates usb joystick but he wanted it back. So I got a sidewinder force feedback pro joystick from ebay for what I thought was a bargain price. Unfortunately however Microsoft have stopped supporting this model so its not a simple install with drivers job on XP. I went onto their web site which says that although specific driver are not available the joystick is supported in Win XP. I plugged the joystick into the game port on my sound card, which is a 'C-Media CMI8738/C3DX. Next as instructed I went to:
Control panel - game controllers - add - Microsoft SideWinder (auto Detect) - ok -
and got the message,"missing game or gameport drivers your gameport or game port drivers are not properly configured please consult the device manager."
So I went to the device manager to find the Standard Game Port icon had a little yellow ! mark next to it.
I clicked on it and the device status said
"This device cannot find enough free resources that it can use. (Code 12)
If you want to use this device, you will need to disable one of the other devices on this system."So I then went to MS Knowledge base where I found an article saying
"The Force Feedback Pro 1.0 is connected to a Peripheral Component Interconnect (PCI) sound card game port and the computer has an onboard sound card.
To resolve this issue, disable the onboard game port and midi/MPU-401 port. You can disable the onboard sound card gameport in BIOS.
Some computers include a sound card or audio chip set on the motherboard. If you install a new sound card with the onboard chip set, you may experience this problem because of direct memory access (DMA) conflicts between the onboard audio chip set and the installed sound card. Windows cannot manage the DMA channel that may still be assigned to the onboard audio chip set and conflicts with the DMA channel that is assigned to the installed sound card and game port. To resolve this issue, disable the onboard sound card:
Make sure the onboard sound card is disabled in the computer's complementary metal oxide semiconductor (CMOS) settings. See your computer's documentation or contact the manufacturer for information about how to do this.
Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel. (In Windows XP, click Start, and then click Control Panel.)
Double-click System.
If you are using Microsoft Windows XP, click the Hardware tab, and then click Device Manager.
Expand Sound, video and game controllers.Click the onboard sound device, and then click Properties.
if you are using Windows 2000 or Windows XP, on the General tab, select Do not use this device (disable) under Device Usage.
Click OK or Close until you return to Windows.
Restart the computer."I have tried all of this. I have disabled the onboard sound card in the bios.(Nvidia - 42302e31 Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG Phoenix-Award BIOS v6.00PG, 11/07) I can't see the onboard sound device in the device manager menu, and none of the 'Sound, video and game controllers' menus allow me to disable this device.
my multi media reprt from NSW
Waveform output devices >
C-Media Wave Device
Manufacturer Id: 1 (Microsoft Corporation)
Product Id: 100 (Unknown)
Version: 5.10
Product Name: C-Media Wave Device
Formats
11.025 kHz, Mono, 8-bit: Yes
11.025 kHz, Stereo, 8-bit: Yes
11.025 kHz, Mono, 16-bit: Yes
11.025 kHz, Stereo, 16-bit: Yes
22.05 kHz, Mono, 8-bit: Yes
22.05 kHz, Stereo, 8-bit: Yes
22.05 kHz, Mono, 16-bit: Yes
22.05 kHz, Stereo, 16-bit: Yes
44.1 kHz, Mono, 8-bit: Yes
44.1 kHz, Stereo, 8-bit: Yes
44.1 kHz, Mono, 16-bit: Yes
44.1 kHz, Stereo, 16-bit: Yes
Channels: 65535
Support
Pitch control: No
Playback rate control: No
Synchronous/blocking: No
Volume control: Yes
Separate left and right volume control: Yes
Microsoft Sound Mapper
Manufacturer Id: 1 (Microsoft Corporation)
Product Id: 2 (Microsoft waveform mapper)
Version: 5.0
Product Name: Microsoft Sound Mapper
Formats
11.025 kHz, Mono, 8-bit: Yes
11.025 kHz, Stereo, 8-bit: Yes
11.025 kHz, Mono, 16-bit: Yes
11.025 kHz, Stereo, 16-bit: Yes
22.05 kHz, Mono, 8-bit: Yes
22.05 kHz, Stereo, 8-bit: Yes
22.05 kHz, Mono, 16-bit: Yes
22.05 kHz, Stereo, 16-bit: Yes
44.1 kHz, Mono, 8-bit: Yes
44.1 kHz, Stereo, 8-bit: Yes
44.1 kHz, Mono, 16-bit: Yes
44.1 kHz, Stereo, 16-bit: Yes
Channels: 2
Support
Pitch control: No
Playback rate control: No
Synchronous/blocking: No
Volume control: Yes
Separate left and right volume control: Yes< Waveform input devices >
C-Media Wave Device
Manufacturer Id: 1 (Microsoft Corporation)
Product Id: 101 (Unknown)
Version: 5.10
Formats
11.025 kHz, Mono, 8-bit: Yes
11.025 kHz, Stereo, 8-bit: Yes
11.025 kHz, Mono, 16-bit: Yes
11.025 kHz, Stereo, 16-bit: Yes
22.05 kHz, Mono, 8-bit: Yesand system info
********************
* System Summary *
********************Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ 2.0 GHz
Math Support: Present
BIOS: Nvidia - 42302e31 Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG Phoenix-Award BIOS v6.00PG, 11/07
Bus Type: PCI, ISA, USB
Ports: 1 Parallel, 3 Serial
Memory: 512 MB (26% Utilized)
Floppy Disks: 1.44 MB
Hard Disks: 37.27 GB
Multimedia: Sound, CD-ROM
Video: 1152 x 864 in 32-Bit Color, RADEON 9600 SERIES Ver. 6.14
22.05 kHz, Stereo, 8-bit: Yes
22.05 kHz, Mono, 16-bit: Yes
22.05 kHz, Stereo, 16-bit: Yes
44.1 kHz, Mono, 8-bit: Yes
44.1 kHz, Stereo, 8-bit: Yes
44.1 kHz, Mono, 16-bit: Yes
44.1 kHz, Stereo, 16-bit: Yes
Synchronous/blocking: Yes
Channels: 65535< MIDI output devices >
Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth
Manufacturer Id: 1 (Microsoft Corporation)
Product Id: 102 (Unknown)
Version: 5.10
Technology
MIDI hardware port: Yes
Square wave synthesizer: Yes
FM synthesizer: Yes
Microsoft MIDI Mapper: Yes
Support
Volume control: Yes
Separate left and right volume control: Yes
Patch caching: No
MPU-401
Manufacturer Id: 1 (Microsoft Corporation)
Product Id: 102 (Unknown)
Version: 5.10
Technology
MIDI hardware port: Yes
Square wave synthesizer: No
FM synthesizer: No
Microsoft MIDI Mapper: No
Support
Volume control: No
Separate left and right volume control: No
Patch caching: No
Microsoft MIDI Mapper
Manufacturer Id: 1 (Microsoft Corporation)
Product Id: 1 (Microsoft MIDI mapper)
Version: 5.0
Technology
MIDI hardware port: Yes
Square wave synthesizer: No
FM synthesizer: Yes
Microsoft MIDI Mapper: Yes
Support
Volume control: Yes
Separate left and right volume control: Yes
Patch caching: No< MIDI input devices >
MPU-401
Manufacturer Id: 1 (Microsoft Corporation)
Product Id: 103 (Unknown)
Version: 5.10< Auxiliary devices >
Auxiliary Mapper
Not Installed< Joystick devices >
No drivers installed or configured< MCI devices >
AVIVideo
Description: Video for Windows
Device Type: 520 (Digital Video)
Can eject the media: No
Can play the media: Yes
Supports recording: No
Can save a file: No
Uses device elements: Yes
Has audio output: Yes
Has video output: Yes
Requires an element file: Yes
CDAudio
Description: CD Audio
Device Type: 516 (CD Audio)
Can eject the media: Yes
Can play the media: Yes
Supports recording: No
Can save a file: No
Uses device elements: No
Has audio output: Yes
Has video output: No
Requires an element file: No
Sequencer
Description: MIDI Sequencer
Device Type: 523 (Sequencer)
Can eject the media: No
Can play the media: Yes
Supports recording: No
Can save a file: No
Uses device elements: Yes
Has audio output: Yes
Has video output: No
Requires an element file: Yes
WaveAudio
Description: Sound
Device Type: 522 (Waveform Audio)
Can eject the media: No
Can play the media: Yes
Supports recording: Yes
Can save a file: Yes
Uses device elements: Yes
Has audio output: Yes
Has video output: No
Requires an element file: Yes
MPEGVideo
Description: DirectShow
Device Type: 520 (Digital Video)
Can eject the media: No
Can play the media: Yes
Supports recording: No
Can save a file: No
Uses device elements: Yes
Has audio output: Yes
Has video output: Yes
Requires an element file: Yes
MPEGVideo2
Description: DirectShow
Device Type: 520 (Digital Video)
Can eject the media: No
Can play the media: Yes
Supports recording: No
Can save a file: No
Uses device elements: Yes
Has audio output: Yes
Has video output: Yes
Requires an element file: Yes
Please, please help I'm stuck.oh why is it never easy!!

Hi Mark,
Sorry if this seems too obvious, but did you select to save the settings when exiting the BIOS after disabling the onboard soundcard?
Here's something you can try:
ControlPanel>System>Hardware>DeviceManager
Find the "Ports(COM & LPT)" entry, and then rightclick on one of the COM ports, or the LPT port. Disable it in its properties (at the bottom of the general page). Now restart the computer.Hopefully, that should make XP reshuffle the channels a bit. XP automatically assigns resources now - earlier Windows versions allowed manual settings.
Once the gameport works, you can try re-enabling the ports you disabled - XP might just reshuffle it so that all ports can be enabled without conflicts.
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Hello SVG
Thanks for the quick reply
Definatly saved the cahnges that I made in the BIOS and am 90% sure I disabled the right bits.
Tried what you sugested
"ControlPanel>System>Hardware>DeviceManager
Find the "Ports(COM & LPT)" entry, and then rightclick on one of the COM ports, or the LPT port. Disable it in its properties (at the bottom of the general page). Now restart the computer."Unfortunatlry it didn't make a diference also tried unistalling and then reinstalling the Standard Game Port with these diabled to see if that made any difference.
Plus tried reinstalling all of the driver for both my sound card and motherboard.
Still get that horrid little yellow exclimation mark and
"Input/Output Range 0201 - 0201 not available."
with the change settings option greyed out.
Any more advice very very welcome.
Mark.
oh why is it never easy!!

▫ SynchroTech forum (Note: it's a page for Windows95)
Okay, try this to change the range:
ControlPanel>System>Hardware>DeviceManager
Find the "Sound,Video & GameControllers" section, and then rightclick your gameport driver (the one with the nice yellow !mark :) ). On the "Resources" page of its properties, UNcheck "Use automatic settings", and then do one of these two:
▫ Select a different configuration in the "Setting based on" combobox.
▫ Press the "Change Setting" button and set it to a different range. Try 0200-0207 if you can alter the setting. You might get a message you can't, though.
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Hello SVG
Thanks for all of your kind help it is greatly appreciated.
Unfortunatly however I cant do either of these things:
Select a different configuration in the "Setting based on" combobox.
▫ Press the "Change Setting" button and set it to a different rangebecause the check box and buttons are greyed out.
I have tried changing the pci slot the sound card was plugged into but that hasn't
helped and I've written to my sound car manuafctuer Q-tec to see if they can help.Thanks again
Any further advice is greatly appreciated.
Mark.
oh why is it never easy!!

Did you uncheck the "use automatic settings" checkbox first?
In DeviceManager, on the View Menu, enable "Show Hidden Devices", and then select "Show resources by type". Then open the input/output section, and look in the list for any other device that's using the 00000201-00000201 range that your gameport is configured to using. What is the other device (if any)?
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Hello SVG
Once again thanks for all of your help your a star!!!
I can't see the confilct any where below is "Show resources by type". "input/output" list and it looks like the Standard game port is the only one using the 00000201-00000201 range.
[00000000 - OOOOOOOF] Direct memory access controller
[00000000-OOOOOCF7] PCIbus
(00000010 - 0000001F] Motherboard resources
[00000020 - 00000021] Programmable interrupt controller
[00000022-0000003F] Motherboard resources
[00000040 - 00000043] System timer
(00000044 - 0000005F] Motherboard resources
[00000060 - 00000060] Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
[00000061-00000061] System speaker
[00000062-00000063] Motherboard resources
[00000064 - 00000064] Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
[00000065-0000006F] Motherboard resources
[00000070 - 00000073] System CMOS/real time clock
[00000074-0000007F] Motherboard resources
[00000080 - 00000090] Direct memory access controller
[00000091-00000093] Motherboard resources
[00000094 - 0000009F] Direct memory access controller
[OOOOOOAO - OOOOOOAI] Programmable interrupt controller
[OOOOOOA2-OOOOOOBF] Motherboard resources
OOOOOOCO - OOOOOODF] Direct memory access controller
[OOOOOOEO-OOOOOOEF] Motherboard resources
[OOOOOOFO - OOOOOOFF] Numeric data processor
[00000170-00000177] Secondary IDE Channel
[OOOOOIFO - OOOOOIF7] Primary IDE Channel
[00000201 - 00000201] Standard Game Port
[00000274 - 00000277] ISAPNP Read Data Port
[00000279 - 00000279] ISAPNP Read Data Port
[00000294 - 00000297] Motherboard resources
[000002F8 - 000002FF] Communications Port (COM2)
[00000376 - 00000376] Secondary IDE Channel
[000003B0 - 000003BB] NVIDIA nForce2 AGP Host to PCI Bridge
[000003B0 - 00000366] RADEON 9600 SERIES
[000003C0 - 000003DF] N1lIDIA nForce2 AGP Host to PCI Bridge
[000003C0 - 000003DF] RADEON 9600 SERIES
[000003F0 - 000003F5] Standard floppy disk controller
[000003F6 - 000003F6] Primary IDE Channel
[000003F7 - 000003F7] Standard floppy disk controller
[000003F8 - 000003FF] Communications Port (CON11)
[000004D0 - 000004D1] Motherboard resources
[OOOOOA78 - OOOOOA7B] Motherboard resources
[OOOOOB78 - OOOOOB7B] Motherboard resources
[OOOOOBBC - OOOOOBBF] Motherboard resources
[OOOOOD00 - OOOOFFFF] PCI bus
[OOOOOE78 - OOOOOE7B] Motherboard resources
[OOOOOF78 - OOOOOF7B] Motherboard resources
[OOOOOFBC - OOOOOFBF] Motherboard resources
[00004000 -0000407F] Motherboard resources
[00004080 -000040FF] Motherboard resources
[00004200 -0000427F] Motherboard resources
[00004280 -000042FF] Motherboard resources
[00004400 -0000447F] Motherboard resources
[00004480 -000044FF] Motherboard resources
[00005000 -0000503F] Motherboard resources
[00005040 -0000507F] Motherboard resources
[OOOOC000 - OOOOCOFF] CMI8738 jC3DX PCI Audio Device
[OOOOC000 - OOOOCFFF] PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
[OOOOD000 - OOOODOFF] RADEON 9600 SERIES
[OOOOD000 - OOOODFFF] NVIDIA nForce2 AGP Host to PCI Bridge
[OOOOE000 - OOOOEOIF] Nl1IDIA nForce PCI System Management
[OOOOE400 - OOOOE407] Ethernet Controller
[OOOOF000 - OOOOFOOF] NIlIDIA NForce MCP2 IDE Controller???
Thanks
oh why is it never easy!!

Ummmm...
1) In that SynchroTech link, I saw something about a joystick being digital or analog, or maybe a mode that you can set. Is the gameport also showing a conflict when the computer has started with the joystick not plugged in?
2) How about uninstalling the GamePort, and then reinstalling it via "Add Hardware"? Uninstall it in DeviceManager, on the "driver" page of the gameport's properties. Then restart the computer with the joystick plugged in. The computer may autodetect it, and install the drivers automatically, or you can have it scan for it via
ControlPanel>Add Hardware
The wizard first scans your system, then asks "Have you connected it already" <YES
Then select the gameport in the list.You could also try updating your soundcard drivers. It may update your gameport drivers too.
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Wow SVG thanks for keep plodding away with this one with me.
Yes the game port conflict exists with or without the joystick plugged in at strat up or.
Tried unistalling and reistalling but the conflict remains.
Tried updatng the sound card drivers but with no success and have also emailed Q-tec the sound card manufactures for advice (not in until monday).
Thanks again for the help, any more ideas are very very welcome!
oh why is it never easy!!

I'm pretty much out of ideas at the moment...
but I'll have another look around the web tomorrow. Maybe there are some tools for this.On the hardware page of the System panel, you can create as many hardware-profiles as you like. You could consider creating a profile for this, in which as many unneeded devices as possible are turned off. No guarantee of solving it that way, though.
Also, have you checked your DirectX diagnostics panel? I think it may have some troubleshooter options for this sort of thing (I don't have a joystick, so I'm not sure). Type dxdiag into the run-box and snoop around in there.
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Hello SVG,
I tried to install a c-media gameport driver, windows wouldn't have it but I think that might be what I need a new driver for the game port.
I turned every device that i could off includuing stuff like my adsl modem my 56k dial up, my floppy driver, all of the com and ltp ports and the conflict is still there!!!
tried dxdiag good tool but no option to a game port.
if you hit upon any other ideas i will keep on trying.
it sucks that MS don't provide suport for this joystick it came out at the same time as win xp they just want you to buy the latest one, well if it comes to getting another it won't be ms!!
the ebayer who sold it to me saying drivers are avalible from MS won't get any good feedback either!
Thank you for all of your very kind help it really really is appreciated.Mark.
oh why is it never easy!!

Ummm... Maybe this will help:
▫ SideWinder 3.02 Software (Microsoft)It may resolve the gameport issue, but I'm not sure. I'm gonna have a look around for more, though...
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▫ DriverGuide
First select "member login" and login with
username: drivers
password: all
Then find the driver you're looking for. Don't worry about the login - it's a free site, so you're not breaking in.
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I have tried a number of drivers with no result! :(
I tried the joystick on a friends 'puter this morning and
Control panel - game controllers - add - Microsoft SideWinder (auto Detect)
worked first time so its not the joystick
I have tried emailing c-media who make the chip set and provide the drivers for my sound card see if they can help.
Mark
oh why is it never easy!!

Just got a relpy from an email I sent to
http://www.stickworks.com
regarding this problem. I thought I would post might help others in a similar situation.
"the 201 conflict is usually with the motherboard
itself, something to do with the locations they use these days for writing
to the CMOS configuration memory. Does the motherboard have a built-in
gameport? If so, the usual trick is to get to the Properties page via the
Device Manager for the sound card game port. With a little luck, it's
independent of the sound section. Then check the "Disable in this profile"
box and let the motherboard gameport run. If it's a new motherboard, it
probably doesn't have an obvious gameport on it, MS has "outlawed" them,
but in a lot of cases the gameport is there in the chipset and all you need
is the cable with the connector on it. You might check with the mobo
manufacturer and see if that's the case.The other option is to get rid of the soundcard you've got and get
something like an SB Audigy 2. Those typically use port addresses in the
PCI range, 201 is an ISA port ID, and so the conflict doesn't really arise.
Anyway, the problem is with the gameport itself, not the stick. The
gameport is really the hardware that Windows sees, the stick just sends
data through it, that's why the conflict shows up whether the stick is
there or not. It's not that it doesn't like the stick, it's that it can't
access the gameport at all. You won't be able to get any gameport stick to
work with the configuration you've got now."Thank you to every one who has helped me with this especially SVG, your a star!
oh why is it never easy!!

No Problemo, Mark !:)
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hi mark
just to let you know you're not alone mate. i have the same problem. i have emailed qtec and cmedia and have been surfing for 3 days.anyway i will let you know if i solve this problem, if you could do the same that would be great.
cheers pete

Hey guy
may I link in this group.
I've got the problem too.
I also tried almost everything.
Mainboard= Jetway N2PAP-Ultra
Soundcard= C-Media PCI 8738-MX.
If any of you guys solve the problem yet please
contact me via email.Thanks

Hey I have the same problem too! tried everthing I have a msi board and it dont have a gameport onboard!anyone have anysuggestions? also if this many folks have the same problem it might be a defect in the sound card!

For the folks who have the same problem:
Response #14 (the e-mail) really says it all:
Try the tricks I posted above(same as what the e-mail said) for trying to force XP to recognise the proper gameport, or disable the onboard gameport in case you have a separate soundcard.Not much hope though, as the problem is probably the gameport itself. As the e-mail explained, the card's gameport seems to have been designed for the 201 range, which is ISA(=the type that was used before PCI slots came along) and is simply outdated. Getting a better soundcard might be the only solution.
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