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Name: richard (by slowpoke)
Date: October 25, 2006 at 10:05:59 Pacific
Subject: File deleted with cut
OS: Windows XP
CPU/Ram: unknown
Manufacturer/Model: unknown
Comment:

I am not sure where to post this query but I will try here.
A neighbor, working with Microsoft Access, deleted a file when she had the file name highlighted and then inadvertently clicking the cut icon. Not knowing what to do next she shut the computer down. I thought I would be unable to undo the cut but that button is not available now.
Can that file be retrieved or is it gone forever. I am thinking that Windows XP handles the cut process so retrieval must be the same no matter what program is being used.
Thanks


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Response Number 1
Name: XpUser
Date: October 25, 2006 at 10:15:59 Pacific
Reply:

She should never have shut down the PC after she "cut." The cut is committed to virtual memory awaiting "paste" operation. Once the PC is shut down and then restart the cut function no longer remember what it have cut. The file she is irreversibly lost.

i_XpUser


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Response Number 2
Name: XpUser
Date: October 25, 2006 at 10:17:21 Pacific
Reply:

typo..

The file she is irreversibly lost.

should read

The file may now be irreversibly lost.

i_XpUser


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Response Number 3
Name: richard (by slowpoke)
Date: October 25, 2006 at 10:24:43 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for that fast reply.
That is what I was afraid of. This lady is very new to computers and had no idea of what she had done.
I guess someone will have to rebuild that database from scratch.
Thanks again XpUser


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Response Number 4
Name: XpUser
Date: October 25, 2006 at 10:37:58 Pacific
Reply:

Sorry to hear that. I wish all buyers have to go to school in order to qualify to buy a computer - just as you do with getting a driver's license.

i_XpUser


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Response Number 5
Name: mattie
Date: October 25, 2006 at 11:02:32 Pacific
Reply:

not all is lost. try winhex:

http://www.x-ways.net/winhex/

Today's subliminal thought is: 'Calm down ... it's only ones and zeros.'

icq 10183575


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Response Number 6
Name: Jennifer SUMN
Date: October 25, 2006 at 12:04:30 Pacific
Reply:

I'm assuming there was no backup and the file was local?

Life is more painless for those who are brainless.


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Response Number 7
Name: oldslowpoke
Date: October 25, 2006 at 12:12:17 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks mattie, I will give Winhex a try. I have downloaded the file and will get with the lady first chance. I will let you know what happens but it may be several days.



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Response Number 8
Name: StuartS
Date: October 25, 2006 at 12:30:59 Pacific
Reply:

Cut without paste should not have deleted the file. Something else must have deleted it. All the cut does is load a pointer to the file into memory. Until the Paste is completed successfully, the original file stays where it is - intact. There are just to many things that can go wrong between cut and paste to start deleting files and loading them into memory before thaey are saved elsewhere.

Cut and Paste is the same as Copy and Paste with the exception that once the paste is completed, the original file is deleted.

Imagine the chaos if you were to cut a file and then try and paste into a non-writable folder or a folder that isn't big enough to take the file, or as often happens, paste it into a folder with a file of the same name that is write protected. If the file was loaded into memory it would mean writing the file back to the folder it came from which obviously doesn't happen.

Try cutting and pasting a large file from a folder to another on the same drive. It happens very fast because in that instance all that is happening is that the directory entries are being changed. It is certainly not loading the file into memory.

If the paste fails the original will remain intact. Try cutting a file and then refreshing Windows Explorer. The file is still there, which is the correct way to cancel a cut. Or cutting a file and pasting it back into the same folder. It doesn't work because you can't have two files in the same folder with the same name because the original is still there.

Stuart


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Response Number 9
Name: oldslowpoke
Date: October 25, 2006 at 12:45:42 Pacific
Reply:

I agree with you completely StuartS. I have been trying to replicate what she thinks she did and I cannot get it to work. Like you said, the file remains intact until the paste takes place. Now I am wondering what she really did.
Earlier today I opened Microsoft Access and let it search for the file she was using but it was not found. Then I did a Windows search for the file extension but that search did not find anything either. The recycle bin contains a lot of files that are marked "Orphan", but there are way to many for me to look at. Her file maybe one of those but I doubt it.
I think I will try one of the file recovery programs and see what it finds.
Thanks and I will appreciate any other responses.


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