Empty partition ?

Del XPS400
June 6, 2008 at 07:29:53
Specs: WinXP MCE 2005, 2.8 Dual Core 3G.B.'s DDR

I have a empty partition on my H.D. 5.88G.B.'s in size that I would like to add to my Drive C which holdes my WinXP install and all other programs,folder & documents ? Any suggestions on how to best eleminate and/or add this space to my partiton holding the O/S would be greatly appreciated !
Thank's to All
Nick

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#1
June 6, 2008 at 08:42:23

You will need a 3rd party application to accomplish that. I have used Partition Magic in the past. Not sure what it costs these days. Or you could download one of the free Live Linux CDs that should have a utility to do that.

Whatever you use be sure you back up anything you can't live without before you proceed. Mucking around with partitions usually goes OK, but if a problem happens it is usually not good for your data.

Michael J


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#2
June 6, 2008 at 08:49:28

This was asked/answered two months ago:

My ? is how can I now take the empty partition and allocate the 5.88G.B. to my Drive C ?

"And that's the fishing line, because Sharkboy said so!"


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#3
June 6, 2008 at 09:01:00

The partitions must be on the same physical hard drive in order for you to be able to make the C partition larger.

You can't add the space using what is built into XP itself without deleting the C partition and losing all the data on it, deleting the other partition, then making a new larger C partition, which you will have to re-load with Windows and any other data you want on it.

If you have some place you can copy the complete contents of the C partition to, such as another hard drive on this computer, you could copy it there, then delete your existing partitions, then copy the contents back.
E.g. if the hard drive is Seagate or Maxtor, or if you have more than one drive installed if at least one is Seagate or Maxtor, you can download the latest version of MaxBlast from the Seagate site and copy the partition contents with that. However, you must have the available space on C to install it. You can make a bootable floppy set (but it requires a lot of floppies) or a bootable CD once it has been installed, and run MaxBlast from that, but that isn't necessary unless you don't have the necessary free space on C and need to make the set or CD on another computer.
The drawback of this is it will probably take a relatively long time to copy the partition on this computer.
This version of MaxBlast is relatively fast at copying a partition, but any such program's speed is directly dependant on how much ram you have and how fast your cpu is on your system. E.g. it took me about a half hour to copy a half full 64gb partition on a computer with an AM2 6400+ cpu and 2 gb of ram, but it would take you MUCH longer to copy that amount of data on this old computer - it may take several hours or longer.
This version of MaxBlast is made by Acronis, and is somewhat crippled. It can only copy the contents of an entire physical drive, whatever number of partitions it has on it. In this case if the other partition is on the same drive as C, delete it in XP before you run MaxBlast. The entire contents of the destination drive you copy the partition or entire drive contents to will be deleted, whatever number of partitions it has. The copy will be made bootable automatically if it is before you copy it (the mbr is copied). It doesn't matter what the size of the destination is as long as it will hold all the data, and maybe that it has a minmal amount of free space left too.

Otherwise, this is much faster...
If and only if the partitions are on the same physical hard drive, you can use third party programs that can delete the empty partition and re-size the C partition larger to include the space freed up, without losing the data already on the C partition.
E.g. Partition Magic 8.x, but it's not free, or there are freeware programs out there that can manipulate partitions without you losing the data presently on C. such as ranish. Others may be able to suggest other freeware ones.
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Brand name systems that have their original software on them always have two partitions on the hard drive that came with the computer. The second one is smaller, you may or may not be able to see it in Windows, and it contains all the data necessary so that you can use a single Recovery CD to restore the contents of C to the same as it had on it when the system was new.
The second partition is often almost full.
If you alter or add to or delete the contents of the second partition, you can no longer use a single Recovery CD to restore the original contents of C.
If you have made, or you make, a set of Recovery CDs using a program put in Programs by the brand name maker in the orignal contents of C, you can restore the complete contents of the hard drive to what it had on it originally.


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#4
June 6, 2008 at 09:24:12

How large is the partition? You aren't addressing the unallocated 8MB are you?

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#5
June 6, 2008 at 11:56:58

That partition is probably your 'Recovery Image'. I would strongly suggest that you leave it alone.

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#6
June 7, 2008 at 06:05:39

Since I have performed a fresh re-install of my O/S becasue it became corrupted when it became infested with a nasty. I could not use the recovery utiltiy due to a lost and forgaotten administrator password. Besides that the partiton is completely empty, I have another partiton at the front of the H.D. b/4 drive C ,that is 47M.B.'s and has a blue bar at the top as the C drive also does, the empty partition is located after these with a green bar on top and it states "free space". The partiton at the front of the drive the status reads "Healthy (EISA Configuration)" . The C Drive under status reads " Healthy (System)" for both it says basic for type ?
Thanks to All
Nick

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#7
June 7, 2008 at 06:09:43

I forgot to mention I do have a 320G.B. externial H.D. a Seagate Freeagent Desktop. My internial H.D. is a Samsung 250G.B. 7200rpm UBS !
Thanks Again ,Nick

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#8
June 7, 2008 at 06:29:13

This was asked/answered two months ago:

My ? is how can I now take the empty partition and allocate the 5.88G.B. to my Drive C ?

"And that's the fishing line, because Sharkboy said so!"


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#9
June 7, 2008 at 06:50:51

Nick Ritchie

Curious - did you ever click on the link provided by jam in Response Number 2 to re-read your earlier thread? If you did there would have been no need for jam to have to repeat the same response in Response Number 8.

i_Xp/VistaUser


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#10
June 9, 2008 at 06:12:06

Jam who? :-) Iam sorry however I put him on ignore and do not read or reply to anything he has to say ! I've asked him not to respond to any of my post ,however it is a free world, I was just trying to save the guy sometime !
Take Care Nick

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#11
June 9, 2008 at 09:47:08

OK, to summarize, it appears
- you no longer have the original brand name software installation on your hard drive
- you are not concerned about restoring that original software installation, including restoring the original contents of the second partition
- the drive is about 250gb manufacturer's size, and has two partitions
- the second partition has no data and is 5.88gb in size in Windows
- you also have a 320gb external drive available

You would be expending a little, or A LOT, of effort to add a mere 5.88gb to the C partition, but if you really want to go through with it...


See response 3 and read it thoroughly.
If you don't understand something I said, say so.

1. Your quickest, easiest solution is to use a third party program such as Partition Magic 8.x which you must pay for unless you can borrow it from someone, or a freeware partition manipulation program such as Ranish, or some other one.
However, it is a very good idea to backup or copy what is on your C logical drive partition to somewhere else before you run such a program - usually nothing goes wrong, but if it does, you can restore your data from a backup or copy.

2. If you don't mind wiping the existing data contents of the external drive, you could use the MaxBlast version I told you about, IF you are allowed to use it when the Seagate drive is externally connected, to copy the existing C partition to it.
(If you are NOT allowed, you would need to remove the drive from it's enclosure, and install the Seagate drive in the computer, then you should be allowed to proceed, no problem.)


3. If you don't use a third party program such as Partition Magic or Ranish, and you want to use just MaxBlast and what is built into XP...
You would need to be willing to end up deleting the contents of the entire external drive, or another Seagate or Maxtor internal or external drive.
You would need to either ...
install MaxBlast on your C drive on this computer, and then make a bootable CD, or a set of floppies (but it requires a lot of them), the first one of which is bootable, so you can boot and run MaxBlast later.

- or - if you have more than one computer, or if you can do it on a friend's computer, install MaxBlast on another computer, and make the bootable Cd or set of floppies on that computer, so that you can boot and run MaxBlast on the subject computer later.

Then you
- delete the existing second partition in XP in Disk Management (or if you forget to do that, you can do it on the copy but it would require extra steps).
- if you installed it on your subject computer, use MaxBlast on the hard drive to copy the existing C partition to the external drive,
- if you DID NOT install MaxBlast on your subject computer, boot the subject computer with the bootable MaxBlast CD or set of floppies, and copy the existing C partition to the external drive

- boot with the bootable MaxBlast CD or set of floppies
- copy the contents of your external Seagate drive to your subject Samsung drive, which will automatically: delete all partitions previously on the drive, make one partition, and place the data contents on it.
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Side notes -

There are no downloads on the Seagate site to make just the MaxBlast bootable CD or set of floppies. There is a manual for it you can download though.
They also have a similarly recent Disk Wizard version available you can use instead of MaxBlast, but I have not tried it, and there are no downloads on the Seagate site to make just the bootable CD or set of floppies (which also requires a lot of floppies) for that either (I downloaded it's manual and looked at it).

If you are copying the contents of an entire drive with this version of MaxBlast from one internal drive to another internal drive, such as if you want to use a larger drive as your primary drive, you don't need to make the bootable CD or bootable set of floppies. The MaxBlast installed on the original drive will work on both the copy and the original drive. If you want to remove the original drive, or still use the original drive but with different data on it, you merely jumper and/or connect the copy drive as your primary drive, and/or as the drive booted from in your bios Setup.

I suggested making the CD or set of floppies because your Seagate drive is external, and that could be a problem. If it were installed internally, you don't need those, running the Windows version from the copy would work fine.
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I highly recommend you run CHKDSK /F in XP on all partitions on the drive or drives you want to fiddle with BEFORE you use any partition manipulation program. You can get all sorts of strange error messages, and your procedure(s) may halt or fail if you don't do that and there are errors in the data. E.g. for Partition Magic, what the error messages mean and what you can do to eliminate the problem are frequently only found on the Symantec web site, not in the Help in the program itself.
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I have not used anything except Partition Magic to do this sort of thing, so I am not familar with other partition manipulation programs.

I have used various versions of Partition Magic over the years and have never had a problem with it, and have never lost any data because of using it, but you CAN have problems if you don't know what you're doing. There is some Help in the program itself, and more help info available on the Symantec web site, but only for PM 8.x (you must poke around to find the PM support).
Partition Magic 8.x can be installed and run in Windows, but it can also be run in Dos mode from a set of two floppies, the first one is bootable, that can be made by running the Setup in the RescueMe folder on the CD.
I recommend you do the latter.

The Dos bootable version of PM 8.x can be made on any computer without you having to register it or supply an installation or product key. However, the Dos version is NOT aware of the 8mb unallocated space thing (see below), at least it isn't in the version on the CD I have.
You probably must supply a product key or other installation key if you install the Windows version.

Partition Magic 8.0 has many bugs, but they should not affect the procedure you want to do. Versions higher than 8.0 (8.x) have had most if not all the bugs removed.
There is a free update/upgrade for 8.0 on the Symantec web site, but I believe 8.0 must have already been installed on a hard drive, and if you want to make the dos bootable version of the upgraded version, you must use a file or files on the hard drive to end up with the upgraded version of that dos bootable version, if it is even upgraded at all.

Don't use PM versions previous to 8.0 in this case. They can't properly handle the sizes of your large drives and the partitions on them.
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What you need to do in this case in any partition manipulation program is to delete the second partition, if you have not already done so in XP, to make it's space available as unallocated space (unpartitioned and unformatted space), then you re-size (label varies) the C partition to add space to the END of the partition. In Partition Magic, once you have selected what you want to do, you click on Apply, then it runs a set of self executing Dos batch files that do what you want to do - similar probably applies to other programs.
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The ~8mb of unallocated space OtheHill mentioned....

NOTE that when XP (or 2000) has prepared a hard drive, if the entire drive has been partitioned, there is actually a tiny un-allocated space at the end of each physical drive, of 8mb, or as close to that as possible (a little less or more). As OtheHill has pointed out, XP (or 2000) itself will not let you add that tiny unallocated space to the single partition, or to the last partition if it has more than one, on the physical drive if you delete the single partition, or last partition, and want to make a new one and include that space.
When you use a third party program to partition the drive it is often possible to include the last 8mb or so, and the drive and it's partitions will still work fine and be recognized in XP (or 2000), but if that ~8mb allocated space is not there, there are a few programs that have problems with that, particularly third party programs or utilities that "know" that ~8mb of un-allocated space is normally there in XP (or 2000), and you will get error messages, or the partition or last partition will not be recognized as valid (e.g. at least some versions of SeaTools), and you probably will not be told specifically what the problem is. The Windows versions of most partition manipulation programs, and hard drive manufacturer's free drive preparation programs, often won't let you partition that last ~8mb either, but the Dos bootable versions may allow it.
If you feel there is a possibilty you might use such programs in the future, you are better off to NOT partition that last 8mb, or as close as you can get to that, if you want the partition(s) to be recognized properly by the max possible such programs.


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#12
June 10, 2008 at 06:27:27

Hi Tubesandwires,
I can not thank you enough for the very long and detailed set of suggested options I have in reguards to the present state of my internial H.D. !! I copied and pasted it for another time when I can read it again and make some notes and the using google to follow up on your suggestions ! I know it must have taking some time for you to type the entire reply ,and I respect your time and thank you very very much . I will let you know in the near future what road I took on backing up my entire internial H.D. ,which holdes my O/S install.
Again Thank You,
Nick



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#13
June 10, 2008 at 06:59:26

OK.
I'm glad to be of help, especially if it eventually results in a solution.
I'm a terrible typist, hence I often save notes and paste them in posts for FAQ.
There were only a few threads with new posts I had previously posted on yesterday, so I got carried away with that last post.

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#14
June 10, 2008 at 13:01:22

You think?

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#15
June 10, 2008 at 18:17:09

"OK, to summarize,..."

Followed by 22 paragraphs, 126 lines, 1,657 words, or 8,986 characters. That's one hell of a summation. It went to 4 pages when I pasted into Word to get the word count.

Michael J


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#16
June 10, 2008 at 19:07:15

That statement only applies to the first paragraph, summarizing his situation.

I really don't care if others who answer don't want to read all that. Nick appreciated it.


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#17
June 11, 2008 at 00:02:15

Don't be so defensive. I was only making a joke. No skin off my back if you want to write a single sentence or a dissertation. More power to you.

Michael J


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