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Dual boot XP-98 SOLVED!!!!!!!!

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Name: Chris
Date: November 16, 2001 at 08:55:56 Pacific
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I have Win-XP Compaq installed on drive 1. Win-98 for games on drive 2. Hmmmm how about a boot menue instead of disconecting a drive.

I did a lot of research and installed BOOTSTAR from startools. I ran the executable it found both operating systems and gives me a choice at startup which to boot. This is after the OS's were installed. INCREDIBLE.

My only concern is that Compaq restore disk uses partition magic to backup files and your BOOTSTAR partitions will be corrupted if you use another partition manager on the partitions.




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Response Number 1
Name: paulxdg
Date: November 16, 2001 at 09:24:30 Pacific
Reply:

Not too sure what you think you've solved.

You don't need to spend money on extra software to manage win98 XP dual boot environments. All the funtionality is built in.

Rgds

Paul


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Response Number 2
Name: Chris P
Date: November 16, 2001 at 09:37:32 Pacific
Reply:

Paul then explain how to get a dual boot once Win-98 and XP have already been installed on 2 seperate drives without the dual boot to begin with. I think we all want to know. Re-installation is out of the question and not acceptable since its a lot of work.


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Response Number 3
Name: V@no
Date: November 16, 2001 at 10:02:00 Pacific
Reply:

Chris, it's too simple!
there are two rules:
1) win98 must be installed first, before WinXP
2) win98 must be installed on first hard drive, on primary partition.
that's it, just install win98 first, then install winxp and when it ask chose 2nd drive to install to.
u'r all set!


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Response Number 4
Name: Chris
Date: November 16, 2001 at 11:27:56 Pacific
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For some reason the Compaq Install CD didn't notice my WIN-98 system and wouldnt install without formating the drive. There was really no flexibility with insatlling WIN-XP with the new Compaqs. Also a lot of people have already intalled XP and are installing 98 afterwards to ensure gaming compatibility. They don't want to start from scratch. Also there are Key-Generators out there for software which helps save money.


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Response Number 5
Name: pinhead
Date: November 16, 2001 at 11:29:03 Pacific
Reply:

Does XP still use boot.ini? couldn't you just add a line for each operating system?


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Response Number 6
Name: quick
Date: November 16, 2001 at 12:45:17 Pacific
Reply:

I'm trying to figure out why you want 98 still on there for games when XP seems to run games quite well. Just my experience anyway. Good luck w/ the dual-boot, though.


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Response Number 7
Name: paulxdg
Date: November 16, 2001 at 17:18:57 Pacific
Reply:

Ok. Heres how I believe it works.
If you install the recommended way by installing win 98 and then win xp the win 98 partition remains the system boot partition, however it is modified. Instead of the bootsector accessing IO.SYS and MSDOS.SYS it goes for NTLDR which is copied into the win98 partition during the XP install, the win98 partition bootsector is modified to point at NTLDR. In order that dos and hence win98 can still be booted, the before image of the modified boot sector is written to the file bootsect.dos. When the dual boot system boots, NTLDR reads boot.ini to display the bootmenu, and depending on the choice goes to either bootsect.dos which accesseses IO.SYS or NTDETECT.COM which does a hardware detect for NT and then it acceses windows\system32\ntoskrnl.exe(in the XP partition) the address of which is in boot.ini
So if we have 2 standalone partitions, one containing windows 98 and the other windows xp, in order to create a dual boot system similar to that created automatically we need:-

Method 1

1. The system to boot from the windows 98 partition.

2. The windows98 partition needs to contain
NTLDR
NTDETECT.COM
BOOT.INI

BOOTSECT.DOS (see below)

3. When booted the windows98 partition
needs to look for NTLDR, in order to
acieve this you could boot the XP
install CD and run recovery console and
issue the command FIXBOOT X:
where X: is the partition letter for
WIN98

4. boot.ini in win98 partition should
look something like this:-

[boot loader]
timeout=20
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
C:\ = "Microsoft Windows"

This all works fine, system will boot, you will get a menu and you can choose XP which boots ok.
Unfortunately you're now left with the tricky bit, how to create a bootsect.dos in order to be able to boot win98 from the menu.

At this point you could go onto the internet and find a free utility I came across several while researching this problem in order to create it,
and put it in the win98 partition root,
however, I did say in a previous post that everything needed was in XP.

Method 2.

Break windows XP a bit.

1. Boot XP and copy NTDLR, NTDETECT.COM and
BOOT.INI onto the win98 partition, and
then delete them from the XP partition.
In order to do this you will need to
use ATTRIB -S -H -R filename first

2. Setup your system so that when it boots
it automatically boots windows 98, ie 98
is set as the bootdisk in the bios, and is set to the active partition. If XP is on a second disk, ensure it is also present in the system.

3. Boot XP installation CD. Proceed as if installing, until you get to the screen where it tells you that an existing XP system has been detected and that the boot cd will try to repair it (hit R) or proceed with a fresh install (hit esc). Choose R, XP deletes and recopies the O/S software but does not affect any settings. It also creates the bootsect.dos file in the 98 partition and updates the boot.ini file to dual boot, and updates the 98 partition boot sector.

I tried this without deleting the files in the XP partition and it repairs as above but ignores the presence of the 98 partition and remains a single boot system.

Any question, feel free .....


Rgds

Paul


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Response Number 8
Name: CrAy-Z
Date: November 16, 2001 at 17:43:56 Pacific
Reply:

Chris... i have a similar situation.. but a question, was XP on your boot drive and 98 on your other disk before you started.... and is XP on an NTFS partition, and, did you have to create any new partitions, ie a FAT32 boot partition??? I ask because i tried last night with PM7, and it told me bootmagic couldnt run on an NTFS drive... hrm i thought... ive got 8 meg unpartitioned space.. ill make that a fat32 boot partition..... bout 30 minutes later, and ive got my win98 boot partition ready for multibooting, however ive broken xp coz it made xp drive G: coz the boot has to be C:, and now xp cant find files so it crashes on startup... im also in a pinch cos after i deleted the c: partition, i cant rename the g: to c: coz i dont have any software that will do it/can see it.. so ive got to put a second instance of xp on my d: drive (which has suddenly become c:???) so i can run partition magic and fix the mess..
NOTE: when partition magic asks if you want to make retore/undo/recovery (cant remember what their called) disks... say yes, no matter how confident you are!!!!!! I wish i did


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Response Number 9
Name: Chris
Date: November 17, 2001 at 05:08:31 Pacific
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Compaq came with NTFS WIN-XP installed and it didnt run office-97 and some games and other programs. So I popped in another disk and installed WIN-98. Now i just cable selected the drives and opened up the case and cut power off to one drive to boot which system I wanted. This was a pain in the butt.

I downloaded bootstar ran it in XP and it found both XP and 98 and created a menue and all is well so far (keeping fingers crossed).
Took 3 minutes no haggeling at all.

XP was on first obviously then 98 was added later.


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Response Number 10
Name: Willie
Date: November 17, 2001 at 21:10:58 Pacific
Reply:

Ok I have the OPPOSITE question here. How do I "DISABLE" the NT/XP bootmenu loader program because I am using BOOTMAGIC which came with PM7? I hate having to go through 2 sets and I dont like the bland looking NT loader. I like BOOTMAGIC alot.

Willie


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Response Number 11
Name: paulxdg
Date: November 18, 2001 at 05:25:48 Pacific
Reply:

Exactly which 2 operating systems are you dual booting and which order did you install them in.

Rgds

Paul


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Response Number 12
Name: me
Date: April 3, 2002 at 00:56:37 Pacific
Reply:

See http://computing.net/windowsxp/wwwboard/forum/8555.html


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