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Name: atarileaf
Date: March 30, 2006 at 13:06:29 Pacific
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I was wondering if anyone could answer this question.
I have an 80gig WD drive with less then 20 gig used. When I do a defrag, the files seem to be divided into 3 seperate chunks with large amounts of free space in between. For example, the window that shows the colored bars representing files would look something like this:

||| ||||| ||

The lines represent files and space represents, well, space.

Why would the drive be divided up like this? Wouldn't this make the drive slower as opposed to putting everything together to access it quicker?

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Response Number 1
Name: atarileaf
Date: March 30, 2006 at 13:08:13 Pacific
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Lets try this again, the way this board formats, all the line went together


| = files
* = free space

So the drive window after defrag would look like this

||||*******|||*******||||

Hope it makes sense.


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Response Number 2
Name: oldfogey
Date: March 30, 2006 at 14:00:19 Pacific
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An issue I have noticed, and not found an answer to. Furthermore, if you defrag, write one large file, and examine the disk again, that file is spread all over the place, ignoring contiguous free areas.
So add my call for enlightenment to yours!


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Response Number 3
Name: XpUser
Date: March 30, 2006 at 14:04:53 Pacific
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If the white free space chuck is bothering you (I've ignored it long ago), try defrag in safe mode.

Just remember it’s the file system, not Disk Defragmenter, that takes care of all data movement. BTW what the file system does don't make the drive slower.

i_XpUser


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Response Number 4
Name: Curt R
Date: March 30, 2006 at 14:57:11 Pacific
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I've always used the defragger in Norton Tools since back in the DOS days. As a rule of thumb it's always been faster than anything windows had in it. With my newest PC (bought last Oct) I discovered it won't defrag my C: drive. Since then I've been using Norton SpeedDisk on D: and the windows defrag on C:.

I noticed the spaces you mentioned in the windows defrag. There have never been any such free spaces in Norton SpeedDisk. When it (SpeedDisk) is done defragging, the free space is always behind the data.

My conclusion is this is just how the windows defrag represents the data and isn't "gospel" on data placement on the drive. As XpUser does, I just ignore it.

To be honest, either graphical representation is moot anyhow as it really has nothing to do with how the data is pysically store on the HDD. It's just there to give you a "visual" (for lack of a better term) of what's going on that you can understand.


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Response Number 5
Name: ham30
Date: March 30, 2006 at 17:26:27 Pacific
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Personally I like some free space interspersed between the data blocks. IMO scruching up all the data to the front of the drive is not advantages. When one of the files near the front of the drive is changed, you end up with part of it at the very end of the data on the drive. That's a bad fragmentation. The object of defragging should be the files themselves, not the whole drive.


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Response Number 6
Name: atarileaf
Date: March 31, 2006 at 10:10:33 Pacific
Reply:

Ok makes sense. Thanks for the help everyone.


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Response Number 7
Name: zero244
Date: April 1, 2006 at 21:50:40 Pacific
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This normal if you have that much freespace. The defrag software will put your data in blocks to speed access time. I wouldnt worry about it, sounds like your drive is optimized for speed.


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