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Name: omar amin (by punk030377)
Date: March 5, 2008 at 18:30:11 Pacific
OS: windows xp sp 2 he
CPU/Ram: semprom3400/512
Product: dell E521
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hey
i have heard of defragmentation and error checking of hard disk and have done both of them at least once over the past year.
now my question is how often and when should one defrag and/or check hard disk for error (using the windows tools)?
just curious !
brian

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Response Number 1
Name: Dan Penny
Date: March 5, 2008 at 19:05:14 Pacific
Reply:

There are as many views on this as there are fragments on your hard disk. ;>)

It's a judgement call on your part.

If you do ~ a lot~ of file manipulation, installs, uninstalls, etc. then defrag more often. A rule of thumb ~could be~ once a month. But there are those who will say this is too much.

The NTFS file structure is regarded by many to be "stable" enough not to have to defrag as in the Win 9x days.

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Response Number 2
Name: aegis
Date: March 5, 2008 at 19:12:51 Pacific
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I also would say once a month is often enough. I don't do it that often.

If you don't ever defrag it is not going to cause problems with your system, except to slow it down a 'tiny' bit.

If you do regular backups you don't have to worry about checking your hard disk. Checking it is kinda useless in my opinion. You can check it and then 15 minutes later it can die.


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Response Number 3
Name: XpUser
Date: March 5, 2008 at 19:22:35 Pacific
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Once a month is enough unless you do intensive graphic editing. In that case do it twice a month. Oh btw...

You can check it and then 15 minutes later it can die.

This is about everything in life - not just computers.

i_Xp/VistaUser


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Response Number 4
Name: kx5m2g
Date: March 5, 2008 at 19:28:49 Pacific
Reply:

In XP, you can check the level of fragmentation without actually doing the defrag. Then you can decide or just do what XP suggests. Other more sophisticated utilites will tell you more information.


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Response Number 5
Name: Dan Penny
Date: March 5, 2008 at 20:52:21 Pacific
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"Other more sophisticated utilites will tell you more information."

That's for sure.

http://www.auslogics.com/en/softwar...

http://www.iobit.com/iobitsmartdefr...

http://www.majorgeeks.com/Diskeeper...

http://www.kessels.com/JkDefrag/

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Response Number 6
Name: Bakers
Date: March 6, 2008 at 00:56:12 Pacific
Reply:

Live One Care Safety Scan will decide wether or not a defrag is required:

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-gb/...


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Response Number 7
Name: wanderer
Date: March 6, 2008 at 08:13:41 Pacific
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"The NTFS file structure is regarded by many to be "stable" enough not to have to defrag as in the Win 9x days."

File stucture has nothing to do with fragmentation. Only OS that writes defragged files is Netware. As long as the OS writed files in a first available first write basis there will always be fragmentation.

An severely fraqmented ntfs file system can render the system inoperable [I have seen it personally]. You have to wipe the disk and reinstall. You can't repair because of the fragmentation.

You should run chkdsk after any system lockup/crash/reset.

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Response Number 8
Name: omar amin (by punk030377)
Date: March 7, 2008 at 04:15:45 Pacific
Reply:

thanks guys
i will do it with my own judgement since there is nothing really to be scared about

hi everyone
thanks for all the goodies on this site i really learnt a lot
anyway my "problem" is this
i have noticed every now and then that my computer taskbar time changes
like just bef


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Response Number 9
Name: Dan Penny
Date: March 8, 2008 at 08:59:29 Pacific
Reply:

"File stucture has nothing to do with fragmentation."

The NTFS file structure (along with it's MFT) improves upon the reduction of frequency of defragmentation.

"The NTFS file system handles the storage of files and directories in a very different way than the FAT file system does. FAT is a very simple, and relatively "unintelligent" file system, that pays little attention to how much fragmentation will result from how it operates. In contrast, NTFS is smarter about how it manages the storage of data. For example, NTFS reserves space for the expansion of the Master File Table, reducing fragmentation of its structures. Overall, fragmentation is less of a concern in NTFS than it is under FAT.

The superior disk management capabilities of NTFS mean that fragmentation is reduced compared to FAT."
(From: http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/file... )

(Re: NTFS file structure) "All internal structures are constructed in such way that fragmentation does not hinder to find data fragments fast."
(From: http://www.digit-life.com/articles/... )

More information: http://www.diskeeper.com/whats-new/...

File structure does have "something" to do with fragmentation.

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