Combining Win98SE and XPSP1 Update

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February 18, 2009 at 17:17:27
Specs: OS X Leopard, Intel Core 2 duo
OK, this is for a friend, and I need a REALLY fast answer. Like within 18 hours.

A friend of mine just recently bought a Mac, due to the fact that they HATE Vista, and his old computer broke. They tried out OSX, but have a few vital programs that need XP. They cant find one in the stores (and they are expensive elsewhere), so I was thinking about my alternatives. I have here 2 options:

1. Torrenting the Windows XP Home Edition installer and using my old laptop's key (the HDD got wiped and put with Pro, so it should still register, right?)

2. Use my Windows 98SE Disc and install the Windows XP Pro SP1 update over it.

Now, I've heard that Mac disables a few components that 98 requires to run. If this is so, i'm screwed. BUT, i've heard of 'slipstreaming' and other methods of combining the updates of two OS discs and making one installer. I'm getting the XP Home disc now as a precaution, but would like the assurance of having the backup. So, any ideas?

Just a bit too reto


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#1
February 18, 2009 at 17:37:38
Question One, No. The key that came with the laptop will only work with a version of Windows XP the the laptop came with originally, that is an OEM version.

How do you you expect to install a Windows XP Update with Windows 98 Install disk. They are two completely different operating systems. The only thing you can use to install a Windows XP update is Windows XP.

Slipstreaming is for combining updates for a particular OS. You need a CD of the OS you are trying to update to do it. You cannot combine updates from different OSs, certainly not two as different as Windows 98 and Windows XP, besides there is no slipstreaming available in Windows 98.

Stuart


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#2
February 18, 2009 at 17:46:55
If "his old computer broke", what are you going to install the XP OS on?
.....

You can get programs that emulate Windows on a MAC operating system, that you probably would be able to get those Windows programs to run in, but I have no idea if any of them are freeware. Ask about that on the MAC forum here, or on other MAC forums, if no one else tells you in this thread what one or more of those are.

There are also MAC OS versions of many Microsoft programs - if that's what they're concerned about, if they don't like local prices, look on the web.

If it's MS Office or anything in it - Word or Excel or Power Point etc. -they're concerned about, they don't have to buy anything at all - there is a MAC OS version of OpenOffice that is free open source software and available on the web that can read and manipulate any files those programs make - it has a different look to it but it does all the same things.

When one buys a brand name system that has Windows installed on it, the OEM Windows user's rights for the system allows that, for the SAME computer, you can legally use an OEM regular Windows CD, or a bootable COPY of your own, or someone else you know's, regular OEM Windows CD (the OEM version; I don't know if it will work with a Retail Full version, but I've done it sucessfully three times on three different brand name systems with the OEM version) with the Product Key, for the same version of Windows XP, Home, or Pro, whichever applies, that the system came with and the sticker on it is for, but downloading a torrent of one is theft in my and many other's opinion.

It is NOT legal to use the Product Key found on the sticker of one brand name computer system on another brand name computer system, plus it may NOT work anyway unless the models are identical or in the same small group made by the same system builder.

" Use my Windows 98SE Disc and install the Windows XP Pro SP1 update over it."

HUH?

There would be no point in doing that, unless you have the Update version of an XP CD or the equivalent. Having a legitimate Product Key for 98SE does not eliminate the need for a Product Key for XP - they are very different.
The SP1 updates on their own are not usable for anything except for updating the original version of XP with them.
Similar applies to SP2 updates and SP3 updates. There is no Pro or Home or MCE version of the SPx updates - they all use the same updates installer.
Even if you mean XP Pro with SP1 updates included, you would still need a valid Product Key for XP.

You are NEVER required to Register Windows, but you must Activate it for it to be fully usable.


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#3
February 18, 2009 at 19:48:49
Disc says "Windows XP Professional Includes Service Pack 1" and it must be installed over a pre-existing OS (box says 98 to 2000 and all in between).

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcas...

that guide talks about using the network install of SP2 slipstreamed with ANY version of XP install (update or full) and on a bootable CD. If this works, I will have what I need.

And to clarify, he had a desktop, it died of old age, and he got a macbook, and was planning on using the Boot Camp feature to install Windows XP. I used to have a few copies, so we started to look, and all I have is this thing with what seems to be an unlimited license. I've gotten to the point where you actually setup the disk for burning, and am getting close to finish. if anyone has any other ideas, please reply, cuz if this doesn't work, i'm screwed.

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#4
February 18, 2009 at 20:01:30
Computers do not die of old age, they die because they're not properly maintained. More than likely the old PC can be fixed but my guess is your (or your friend's) troubleshooting skills are weak.

I don't know squat about Mac's. If you were installing XP Update on a PC, you would NOT have to install 98 1st...all you would have to do is begin the XP installation, then pop in the 98 CD when prompted.

And if you're going to slipstream a service pack & burn a new XP CD, why wouldn't you use SP3?

Here's your slipstream tool:

http://www.nliteos.com/


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#5
February 18, 2009 at 21:54:32
".....the Windows XP Pro SP1 update" and "Windows XP Professional Includes Service Pack 1" are NOT the same thing.

" must be installed over a pre-existing OS (box says 98 to 2000 and all in between)."

Is this the torrent you downloaded? If it is, or in any case, do you have the Product Key that goes along with it?
If NO, I DO NOT think the Product Key for your laptop will work with it!


"And if you're going to slipstream a service pack & burn a new XP CD, why wouldn't you use SP3?"

If the CD already has SP1 updates, you can use just the SP3 updates to make the skipstreamed CD with - it installs all necessary SP2 updates too.

Which CD burning software are you using?
If you're using Nero Burning Rom, my version and at least some other versions of it have bugs - if you follow the directions on that page you pointed to exactly, and you have such a version, I know from experience your resulting CD will NOT be bootable. I made two non-bootable ones before I figured that out.

If you ARE using Nero burning Rom, DO NOT burn the CD until I supply you with more info.

Also, you do NOT have to copy Microsoft Corporation.img to the list of files - you must extract it and point to where it is on your hard drive elsewhere in the Nero software, but it will be bootable anyway if everything else is right.


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#6
February 18, 2009 at 22:31:29
If you ARE using Nero Burning Rom

My version is Nero Burning Rom 6 SE.
Other versions I have used have this same bug.

In Nero Burning Rom version 7, you enter the CD name for both ISO 9660 and Joliet

- when you have set and checked your settings in the New Compilation window, then click on New to Add files to the Burn Compliation, you DO NOT have to copy the Microsoft Corporate.img file to the list of files to Add to the Burn Compilation, but it does have to be on your hard drive and pointed to in the Boot settings (in Nero Burning Rom).
- after you click on the New button in the New Compilation window, you must select the Boot tab AGAIN in the Burn Compilation window, and re-enable Enable expert settings...., because it has been GRAYED OUT (if your version has the bug), BEFORE you click on the Burn icon in the Burn Compilation window; if you don't re-enable that, the CD will not be bootable, and you will get the "Cannot boot from CD - code 4" error while booting (and the CD will NOT boot).

(In my case I did this with an original OEM XP Home CD, WXHOEM_EN, no SP updates, I integrated SP2 updates into the contents of the CD, then I integrated SP3 updates into the contents of the CD with SP2 updates, then I burned the CD.)

- when you look at the copied CD in Isobuster there are TWO WXHOEM_EN folders, the first one with a red icon, the second listed after the Bootable Disc folder with a blue icon, instead of one, and they appear to have identical files (one WXHOEM_EN file list is ISO 9660, the other is Joliet), but (if you don't copy Microsoft Corporation.img to the Burn Compilation) there is only ONE .img file, in the Bootable Disc folder - Arnes Boot Record.img
Apparently, on the web they say that's a legitimate alternate to Microsoft Corporate.img. The two are exactly the same size in bytes.
(If you DO copy Microsoft Corporation.img to the Burn Compilation, it's there in Isobuster but it appears to be useless - there is still only ONE .img file in the Bootable Disc folder - Arnes Boot Record.img)

- the CD boots fine with the one Arnes Boot Record.img file
(a regular CD has only the one - Microsoft Corporate.img - in the Bootable Disc folder)
- the CD looks normal in My Computer or Windows Explorer
.....

- you get a different error number (other than 4) while booting
"Cannot boot from CD - code x"
if you neglected to change "Number of loaded sectors" to 4.


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