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Can't install any operating system?!?!

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Name: MadMan
Date: July 25, 2002 at 09:23:21 Pacific
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I built a monster computer recently which will not work worth a damn.
MB: Gigabyte GA-8IHXP
CPU: 2.53GHz P4
RAM: 2x RAMBUS 256M 1066MHz OCZ
HD: Western Digital 120GB Special Edition
CDROM: HP CD-Writer 9300
Vid Card: Leaktek A250 (Geforce 4400)
Other: OEM Sound Blaster Audigy

This is a long painful story but please tell me what you think.
--Chapter1 the Hard drive--
After I got everything installed for the first time I booted the computer up with a Windows XP CD and started the setup. But every time it finished formatting the Hard drive (took FOREVER!) it always reported that formatting failed? After trying multiple times and using fdisk to make different partitions, I finally gave up on that and put the drive in another computer where it formatted fine and scan disk found nothing wrong? So I put the HD back in my machine.
--Chapter2 the CDROM drive--
Now with a properly formatted HD I tried the setup again, this time I just choose to leave the file system without quick or full formatting. And setup continued .... until at 2% it could not find or copy files!?!? This is a brand new mint condition XP Pro CD, how could there be copy errors? I re-tried copying the files until the cows came home but it would not work. So eventually I decided I would just try skipping afew files to see if the install would continue. It was RIDICULOUS! If a blue screen didn't stop me first, I ended up skipping over half the files! At this point I decided my new XP CD must be bad so I tried a Win2k CD... same problem. So the CDROM drive must be bad, started swaping in CDROM drives from other computers and having the same problem, until I tried this Old Quad speed thing from like 1990. For some reason it was able to copy the files fine with out a single copy error!?!? Whatever I finally got XP installed, or so I thought.
--Chapter3 The Haunted OS from HELL--
So I'd say I had about a 33% chance of successfully booting my OS without getting some kind of Blue screen. This is right after a clean install. As I started installing drivers and restarting I continued to notice really strange things going on. This one time it would immediately log me out every time I logged in! But afew reboots later and the problem fixed itself. Then explorer would randomly crash, dlls would not be found, files would stop copying, and ofcourse blue screens would happen randomly. In the course of an hour I went from clean install to completely hosed OS. I don't know what I did wrong, I installed a Graphics card driver, the Audigy driver, some motherboard drivers, and seached microsoft FAQs on the web. That was all it took to completely screw my computer.
--Chapter4 Dumbfounded--
So I've repeated these steps a few times and I can manage to install XP but the damn thing crashes or does weird stuff for no appearent reason. Installing new drivers does not help or makes it worse. Removing the Audigy, swapping the GeForce4400 for a Geforce2, and swapping hard drives and CDROM drives all do not seem to help. Basically the OS will do okay if you don't use it.
I have no clue what is wrong. I think I must be building this computer on an ancient Indian burial ground or something.
If you have any idea what could be wrong PLEASE let me know. I need to decide if I'm going to send all this stuff back for refund before my 30 days runs out. Thanks for your help and sorry for making you read all that.



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Response Number 1
Name: doc
Date: July 25, 2002 at 09:47:53 Pacific
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I personally have tried to install a fresh install of xp with a nvidia card installed and it would not install, it would go so far and hang. I took the nvidia out and put in another generic vga card and it would let me install xp then and after xp was all loaded and up I removed the generic and put the nvidia back in and the computer runs fine. I would say part of your problem is your video card. Put in another one and then load xp. I have also read some post where soundblaster caused some problems with installing xp. I would pull sound card also while attempted to setup and after xp installed put it back in. Pull cards, put in some other vga other than nvidia, fdisk, format and install again then put your cards back in one at a time and get the yellow out of device manager one at a time.


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Response Number 2
Name: n3985
Date: July 25, 2002 at 09:48:09 Pacific
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This may be redundant, but give it a thought: is your motherboard configured correctly? are your DMA's set correctly? is your computer running too hot? is the power supply sufficent?


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Response Number 3
Name: john
Date: July 25, 2002 at 09:49:38 Pacific
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http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/howto/gettingstarted/guide/troubleshoot.asp

Is where I'd start...I've not had experience with XP but, So What? Gotta start somewhere.


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Response Number 4
Name: solidussnake
Date: July 25, 2002 at 09:51:29 Pacific
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maybe its a combination of a bad motherboard/ cdrom drive.

take it back immediately and get everything replaced including your copy of XP. For u to fix all of these problems you mentioned would be near impossible.


take it all back and shop elsewhere. Listen to my warnings, I have had the same prob. that u have had recently, but I was'nt able to take my stuff back.


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Response Number 5
Name: caruso
Date: July 25, 2002 at 09:58:04 Pacific
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funny ? but is the xp cd an original or copy?


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Response Number 6
Name: Ger
Date: July 25, 2002 at 10:13:32 Pacific
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It might be worthwhile to try a differend cable from the motherboard to the hard drive. If you couldn't even get the drive to format, there has to be a problem there. Or the motherboard itself isn't working right.


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Response Number 7
Name: mooseboy84
Date: July 25, 2002 at 10:33:48 Pacific
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IT YOUR PUNISHMENT FOR BUYING A INTEL P4!


well it is, but, you may have bad memory. bad memory can give the weirdest errors. also what is the rating of your psu? i would assume you got a half way decent one if you payed for all that mess. really though, it may be bad memory. also, stupid rambus has to have a closed circuit thing, so are you running the 2 empty rimms with the provided inserts?

when you start up, just load the basic things. take out the soundcard and any other pci cards you dont need and try to partition/format the harddrive and install the os.
another thing to do is take out EVERYTHING execpt the memory and video card. make a floppy with the LATEST BIOS on it and boot it up and update the bios. onces the bios have updated that may help.

also, why pay $650 for p4 2.53. thats such a huge waste of money that i wont even begin to talk about it.



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Response Number 8
Name: doc
Date: July 25, 2002 at 10:37:13 Pacific
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Good suggestion ger. I thought about it but had forgot to mention that in my post.


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Response Number 9
Name: Ùmega-C-oDE
Date: July 25, 2002 at 11:01:48 Pacific
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This is the real deal here. What you need to do is switch the IDE cables. It sounds to me like they are bad. Also make sure that all the pins are in the IDE cables. Maybe one of the broke off?

Check the jumper positions on your IDE devices. one master and one slave per channel. If you built this computer yourself, MAKE SURE THAT YOUR MOTHERBOARD IS PROPERLY CONFIGURED. Read the mobo manual.

There shouln't be any problems with your nvidia, p4, or creative labs sound card, all of these companies support win xp.

I can tell you from my personal experince. My computer has p4, nvidia, and creative. I installed xp flawlessly a number of times. It definatly sounds like a misconfiguration with the hardware.

Look over all of those things I mention, if that dosen't work take out all the components you DO NOT need for the computer to function. Then try to do it again.

IF that fails, it pretty much mean you have a bad mobo. (The IDE interfaces on the mobo itself)


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Response Number 10
Name: doc
Date: July 25, 2002 at 11:17:36 Pacific
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Yes umega nvidia will work and soundblaster too but folks have had problems installing with this cards installed and after removing install would go. After install put the cards back in and update drivers and all is good.


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Response Number 11
Name: Joel
Date: July 25, 2002 at 12:51:02 Pacific
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Probably not this guys issue and perhaps off topic... but if you are having trouble booting a new build with an nVidia card installed, make sure that the "Assign IRQ to VGA" is enabled in the BIOS.

That cures more problems than you would imagine.


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Response Number 12
Name: Richard S.
Date: July 25, 2002 at 15:47:53 Pacific
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When I got the "unable to read or copy files", it was the copy that failed because of bad ram. Get a memory diagnostic like memtest86 (teresaudio.com, free) and check your memory.


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Response Number 13
Name: MadMan
Date: July 25, 2002 at 16:37:03 Pacific
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--Chapter5 resolution--
Oh My God, Richard S you were totally right. I ran memtest86 for 15 minutes and I already have 7 errors. I can't believe I was sold bad RAM!!!! I would like to tell newegg exactly where they can shove this Ram. Now the question is what do I RMA to them. Just the RAM or the RAM and the Motherboard? What do you people think?
(Thanks again Richard S)


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Response Number 14
Name: Ger
Date: July 26, 2002 at 00:22:34 Pacific
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Since the motherboard has never actually run the system correctly, you can't be sure if the problem is the ram or the ram sockets or somewhere else in the circuitry. I'd ship the whole thing back.


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Response Number 15
Name: anani
Date: August 30, 2002 at 10:36:05 Pacific
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Got the same setup..
You need to use the IDE ATA100 for your harddrive you can not install operating system on the RAID ATA133..


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