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boot.ini and XP Home and Pro

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Name: dim03
Date: November 13, 2004 at 21:24:02 Pacific
OS: Win XP Professional
CPU/Ram: AMD Athlon 64 3000+, 512m
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Hi,

I've just installed a 40gb Quantum Fireball HDD into my system, which has a 40gb Segate Barracuda. The Quamtum is the primary master and the other hard drive primary slave. The Segate is C: and the quantum is D:. When I turn on the PC, the quantum fireball loads XP Pro (The Seagate is XP Home) without giving me the boot list.

The Windows XP Home is at: C:/Windows/WINXP
The XP Pro is D:/Windows

The XP Home boot.ini says-

[Boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\windows\WINXP
[operating system]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)Windows\WINXP="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect.

In the MSCONFIG utility, the general tab shows-

Selective startup
Process system.ini (selected)
Process win.ini (Selected)
Load System Services (Selected)
Load Startup Items (selected)
Use Original boot.ini (selected).

In XP Pro, the boot.ini is the same.

But in XP Pro the General tab has Normal Startup selected.

How can I get the two OSes to come up at the boot screen so I can select either OS?

Cheers,

Matty



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Response Number 1
Name: Richard59
Date: November 13, 2004 at 22:23:43 Pacific
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Was XP Pro on your Qantum D drive already installed on the drive before you added it to your system? How/where was it installed on the drive? Something is screwy with your setup. In any "Normal" dualboot setup there will be only ONE boot.ini file on the C drive containing the references to both operating systems. There will not be any bootfiles on the D drive at all.

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Response Number 2
Name: dim03
Date: November 13, 2004 at 22:29:23 Pacific
Reply:

No, it was reformatted under Setup as NTFS.


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Response Number 3
Name: Richard59
Date: November 13, 2004 at 22:44:55 Pacific
Reply:

If you installed XP Pro correctly as a second operating system then there should only be one set of bootfiles located on the root directory of the C drive. It doesn't matter whether it is NTFS or FAT32. XP setup automatically configures the boot.ini file for dualbooting.

How did you go about installing XP Pro on the second harddrive?

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Response Number 4
Name: dim03
Date: November 13, 2004 at 22:48:22 Pacific
Reply:

I set up the new hard drive and i booted from cd and installed it from there. I don't want to format the c:/.


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Response Number 5
Name: Richard59
Date: November 13, 2004 at 22:58:33 Pacific
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You didn't by any chance disconnect the original drive while installing Pro on the second drive? or change something in bios to Hide the original drive?
During the instal, I would have expected the Setup to detect the existing Home operating system and ask you if you wanted to upgrade. Of course you would answer "No" and then proceed to instal to the new drive. Dualboot should have automatically been configured. What was the exact sequence of events when you did the installation?

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Response Number 6
Name: dim03
Date: November 13, 2004 at 23:07:08 Pacific
Reply:

The 40gb Quantum Fireball (the 1 i installed) is Primary Master, the exitsing one Primary Slave. In the BIOS the boot sequence is- CD ROM, HDD 0, LS120.

Can't I just delete the boot.ini file/s? I also tried FIXBOOT.



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Response Number 7
Name: Richard59
Date: November 13, 2004 at 23:25:19 Pacific
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I think I see where you've gone wrong. You have moved the original seagate C drive from Primary Master to Primary slave and then installed XP Pro onto the new primary master Qantum drive.
Do this: Put the seagate drive back as primary master. Put the Qantum in Slave position. Format the Qantum. Put the XP Pro CD in and reboot. Reinstal XP Pro to the slave drive. Dualboot will then be properly configured.


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Response Number 8
Name: dim03
Date: November 13, 2004 at 23:27:30 Pacific
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thanks a lot mate i'll try that. This is a business PC so it needs to be up and running fast!


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Response Number 9
Name: dim03
Date: November 13, 2004 at 23:41:34 Pacific
Reply:

Just one more thing- do I have to reformat? I just installed all of my apps!


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Response Number 10
Name: Richard59
Date: November 13, 2004 at 23:54:13 Pacific
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I suspect that when you installed Pro on the new "Primary Master" It set itself as a C drive so you in effect have two C drives. It isn't possible to change the drive letter of a System drive so I think it will need to be reformatted so that it is properly configured as D when you put it in the slave position.

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Response Number 11
Name: trvlr
Date: November 14, 2004 at 02:18:56 Pacific
Reply:

This is an interesting little situation - and not all that difficult to resolve. My post may be a a little academic...; but it does help to explain the what/why/how of it all and may be useful to know for future use?

If I’m reading this aright…

Quantum is Master to Barracuda Slave; Barracuda has Home on installed, Quantum has Pro installed. Quantum was set as Master with Barracuda installed as Slave and then Pro installed to Quantum. Now you boot only to Quantum (Pro).

Presuming so this is is why you have the situation that you have now.

When Barracuda was “alone” (as Master and Home installed) Home was by default installed as c:\windows). Its boot.ini reflects Home installed in that configuration (multi-0… partition-1). If/when you installed Pro (on the Quantum) there was no evidence of a boot.ini on that Quantum drive that referred to Home on Barracuda drive (and if it was a blank drive then there wouldn’t be) then Pro setup would not ordinarily detect the Home installation on the Slaved drive… There are at least two ways to overcome that situation. (Also Home went in as c:\windows; I think Pro will have gone in as winnt?).

For the Barracuda/Home to appear and boot via the boot-menu on the Quantum (set as Master) there must be a reference in the boot.ini on the Quantum (Master/Pro) drive to the Home installation on the Slaved Barracuda. That line/reference must also reflect the “new/changed” status of the Barracuda drive; i.e. multi-0 now becomes multi-1; the balance of the line remains the same. You could simply copy the main/single-line reference to Home in the boot.ini on the Barracuda drive to the boot.ini on the Quantum; then change the multi-o reference to multi-1 in that copied line as already detailed just above. This of course presumes you do have a boot.ini on the Quantum/Master; more on this missing item below.

However, one item doesn’t make sense here.

As you are able to boot to the Quantum and thus to Pro, I am puzzled as to why the Quantum is shown as d: … I would have expected it to be shown as c: (in Pro-Explorer) - presuming you did configure/format it during Pro setup (i.e. it was NOT preconfigured/prepartitioned – formatted or not)? I would however expect the Barracuda (when not booted) to be shown in Pro-Explorer (when booted) as something other than c: ; to still showing itself as c: when booted up (in Home-Explorer). Likewise the Quantum will be shown as something other than c: when viewed via Home-Explorer, and shown as c: when booted up. My experience has been that two such OS (each on its own drive) will “flip-flop” the drive labelling for the non-booted drive when viewed from the booted OS…

Initially Home went in as c:\windows (Barracuda was only drive present). Even when this drive is now set to Slave posn. (and when it boots) it will still boot with its path showing c:\windows etc. Albeit at present it doesn’t boot as there is no boot-menu option to allow it – more on that anon. You say the new Master (the Quantum) shows as d: ??? If this drive was installed unconfigured (no partition/s) then this drive would (should) also show as c: when Pro went in… (even with the Barracuda connected as Slave). How do you manage to get the new Master to show up as d: ???

The missing boot-menu on the Quantum: I recall coming across this irritation a while back and have managed to recall at least one reference to how/why it occurs… viz

http://www.winnetmag.com/Windows/Article/ArticleID/41671/41671.html

It refers to W2K and later OS... The article details using a boootcfg routine to resolve the omission.

The other way is to manually create a boot.ini (via Notepad/Wordpad.

You can also use the bootcfg routine to detect and add the other XP (Home) installation to the newly created boot.ini on the Quantum (or simply copy over and modify the entry from the original Home boot.ini on the Barracuda) viz:

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/bootcfg.mspx

This second M$ KB is probably more the one you want in this regard.

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/bootcons_bootcfg.mspx

And JSINC discusses it too at:

http://www.jsiinc.com/SUBM/tip6100/rh6136.htm

Both Pro and Home will boot as c: ...

Hope the above helps resolve it all, and isn’t too lengthy and/or confusing…

Richard (post-7) suggests resetting the Barracuda as Master to Quantum and re-installing Pro afresh. It would work but isn't necesary to go that far... You could reset drives with Baracuda as Master and Quantum (with Pro still installed there) and simply run the bootcfg routine to locate/detect/and add Pro to Home boot.ini... Again both OS will boot as c: .

Personally I'd leave the drives as they are (Master = Quantum, Barracuda = Slave) and run the bootcfg routines as appropriate. 'Should do all that's needed.


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Response Number 12
Name: dim03
Date: November 14, 2004 at 12:35:04 Pacific
Reply:

Just 1 more thing- Can't I just switch the hard drives over? I just installed all my programs!


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Response Number 13
Name: dim03
Date: November 14, 2004 at 13:31:53 Pacific
Reply:

I don't want to do all of that bootconfig stuff- i'll just reformat the Quantum Hard Drive. But I just wasted an afternoon of reinstalling Windows and apps!!!

But thanks again for all of your help,

Matty


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Response Number 14
Name: trvlr
Date: November 15, 2004 at 03:35:42 Pacific
Reply:

Don't understand your decison (perceived need) to reformat the Quantum as a solution to your problem??? What happens after that? Presumably the Quantum is still Master afterwards; or are you intending to reset the Barracuda as Master to Quantum as Slave and then (re-)install Pro to Quantum (which would work - but so much time/effort...)?

The bootcfg routine/s ("all" that's needed...) would have been the easier route to get it working - drives installed configured etc. as is? There would be need to reformat the Quantum and thus go thru' a re-install etc... The bootfg routine is ideal for your situation (Quantum as Master, all items installed, and need to add the Barrucuda to the boot.ini list thereon)?

As regards switching drives, it also would be a quicker and easier solution than a re-install etc. of the Quantum. All you would have to do is to add a line referring the the Quantum installation in the boot.ini on the Barracuda (then restored as Master to Quantum set as Slave). Or, again, run the appropriate bootcfg routine to detect/add the Quantum to the Barrucuda boot.ini...

In any of the these routes both OS installations would boot as C: as that info is stored in the registry and is referred to during boot-up. That will cause you no problems.


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