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Name: mmstam
Date: September 23, 2008 at 19:20:33 Pacific
OS: win xp
CPU/Ram: 2gig
Product: delllatitude 830
Comment:

I'm trying to boot to an external hdd with win98 os via a usb port, The initial two win98 screens come on but hangs after the second win98 screen.What's the problem.



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Response Number 1
Name: josh (by jpag3074)
Date: September 23, 2008 at 19:30:06 Pacific
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More than likely it is hanging up on the USB driver - as for most Win98 stuff, it requires the USB driver to read properly, and that is what you are booting from.
Have you tried booting into safe mode? Sometimes safe mode works when it hangs up on a driver at boot, and allows you to get into windows far enough for it to allow you to install drivers for the system.

Thanks for any input.


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Response Number 2
Name: TopFarmer
Date: September 23, 2008 at 19:57:18 Pacific
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As far as I have found out Win98 will not boot on a USB device. I figure it is due to when 98 boots it sends a reset to all motherboard devices and it looses the USB hdd.

The only way I have done it is first disable all hardware detection and boot with dos USB support. But one can not do much with out the hardware enabled and I don't think it can be enabled after booting.


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Response Number 3
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: September 24, 2008 at 11:32:49 Pacific
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You could have any one or more of several things going on.

The mboard bios boot order must be able to be set to boot from a bootable USB device in the bios Setup.

You may need to use a different USB port, or you may have an IRQ sharing problem.
See response 3 in this:
http://www.computing.net/answers/wi...

Most, if not all, external drive enclosures require you connect a power adapter to it's case, or you use TWO USB connections between it and the computer, because a single USB connection alone cannot provide enough current to run the enclosure's circuits plus the drive in it properly.

If your problem is you need Win 98 or Win98SE drivers, try the generic drivers here:
http://www.technical-assistance.co....

They would probably have to be installed in Windows when the drive is connected internally to a computer.


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Response Number 4
Name: jefro
Date: September 24, 2008 at 14:01:12 Pacific
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It think it is the big real versus (I forgot other mode) that 98 starts in then converts to. It was a left over from dos.

Dunno, is there any web pages on how to boot to 98 from usb?

"Best Practices", Event viewer, host file, perfmon, antivirus, anti-spyware, Live CD's, backups, are in my top 10


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Response Number 5
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: September 24, 2008 at 14:48:40 Pacific
Reply:

At the very least you must be able to do this:

The mboard bios boot order must be able to be set to boot from a bootable USB device (or removable devices) in the bios Setup.

You can't do that in many older bioses.


On the other hand, you did get the beginning of Windows to load.

By the way, was Windows installed on that external drive when it was connected internally to this same computer?

"is there any web pages on how to boot to 98 from usb?"

I don't know - I've never tried to.



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Response Number 6
Name: mmstam
Date: September 25, 2008 at 08:34:39 Pacific
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Does initially boot to external hdd with win98se os, first two win98 screens do come on, but hangs when installing the drivers. When booting to safe mode the following message comes up "Insufficient memory to initialize windows." I added the following to the Windows System.ini. Under [386enh] MaxPhysPage=30000 and under [Vache] MaxCacheFile-524288. It still didn't cure it. It's mind boggling, what could be the problem.


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Response Number 7
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: September 25, 2008 at 12:25:24 Pacific
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Was Windows installed on that external drive when it was connected internally to this same computer?

If you boot using a 98SE CD, are you able to see this external drive in Setup?


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Response Number 8
Name: jefro
Date: September 25, 2008 at 14:02:29 Pacific
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I'd like to know where someone else has posted a how to on booting 98 on a usb drive.

"Best Practices", Event viewer, host file, perfmon, antivirus, anti-spyware, Live CD's, backups, are in my top 10


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Response Number 9
Name: mmstam
Date: September 26, 2008 at 11:25:03 Pacific
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When I click f12 at start I get the choice to boot 1. floppy disk 2. hdd 3. usb 4.cd dvd drive. I click to boot from the usb. On the usb I have an external hdd from an older desktop. In other words Win98SE was installed on it when it was an internal hdd drive. I tried installing Win98Se as an external hdd via the usb port. A message comes on after the initial scanning that i need to partition the drive...it doesn't work.


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Response Number 10
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: September 26, 2008 at 11:59:54 Pacific
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"A message comes on after the initial scanning that i need to partition the drive...it doesn't work."

Sounds like symptoms you would get if the USB connection is not working properly.
See the first two things in response 3.

98SE normally deals with the mboard hardware being different from the mboard present when Windows was set up on the drive okay, and it will detect the difference and load appropriate drivers the first time you boot Windows from the hard drive, but that may not work properly over a USB connection.

You might need to connect the drive internally to this computer and then run Windows Setup from a regular Windows 98SE CD.
(If the Latitude is a laptop, you can get inexpensive wiring adapters to connect the desktop drive to the laptop)
If you don't want to lose the present settings and data already on the partition Windows on, you can run an "overtop" Setup - install Windows in the SAME folder it is already in - usually that's the default C:\Windows - when you run Setup on an existing installation it often changes that to something else, so make sure that's right.

After Setup is finished you must load the drivers for the mboard, particularly the main chipset drivers, in order for Windows to have the proper drivers for and information about your mboard hardware, including it's AGP or PCI-E, ACPI, and hard drive controller support. If you have a generic system and have the CD that came with the mboard, all the necessary drivers are on it. If you load drivers from the web, brand name system builders and mboard makers often DO NOT have the main chipset drivers listed in the downloads for your model - in that case you must go to the maker of the main chipset's web site, get the drivers, and load them.

You might as well load the generic USB drivers I pointed to while you're at it, before you place the drive back in the external enclosure.


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