backup OS with mbr and boot record for manual re-install

January 23, 2012 at 10:49:02
Specs: Windows XP pro sp2, co concern
the case: mbr or boot record or both are manipulated and won't go anymore (malware).

big deal to recover manually...that's why an environment would be really helpful like a bootable tool disk or USB-stick to replace only the basic XP (as example) which will be "upgraded" after that with the last system backup.

The problem - no one could really tell how to produce a XP environment already installed AND bootable by ONE media only!!?? And I'm looking for such a solution since weeks now and this is not the first time I'm doing that...

I know, it could be done somehow with Bart's Tools, but it would be too much effort to do it this way as I would need such a solution for different OS versions. Also it's not easy to get all the little not directly told software you still need with Bart's equipment - that's why I didn't like it so much...

I'm sure there is somewhere on this planet a program which would just copy any mbr and boot record with the installed environment of plain XP installation. All other would be done in the second step and each system could be recovered in maybe one or two hours!!!

Right now, I need about a week or two...doing all this manually.

So, if anyone knows any source I would really appreciate that...

2012-01-23 eha.

P.S.: Also tools like imaging software offered by several software houses (paragon, Acronis, etc.) don't cover this task, but always have limitations with it - as paragon says, that it won't transfer the bootable part on a cd/dvd - this is just ridiculous - so I don't need to buy such a product - right?

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January 23, 2012 at 12:17:15
I don't understand the issue.

Do you have the recovery media or a recovery partition right now?

Do you just want to save the install that you have? For that all sorts of ways. Acronis, Norton, clonzilla, redobackup, g4u and a few hundred other ways.

The official MS way is to make a ntbackup with system state.

Katy Perry, I'd never treat you badly.

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January 23, 2012 at 13:26:10
No, the recovery media won't do any good because it's only using the whole HDD and I always have several areas on all of my harddisks and always different ones. Just about 10 HDD are general in use with a data volume of more than 5 TB...So I can't use at all the recoveries. On the other hand I own the originals of XP and other OS but they are NO INSTALL. And as I said in my first note, all the tool companies don't give you the chance only copy the bare system after install and much configuration on it, but then you are supposed to take it all or nothing - just read my example please.

So again, what I need is some software which I can configure to take any kind of mbr + boot record plus OS-partition in one recovery file which could be "recovered " after this on any other machine or better say harddisk.

Otherwise I must do this all manually and I'm sick of it, waisting my time every year once or twice on such a detailed work.

So, please understand, I don't need any advice - I know well what I'm doing on my machines, but maybe someone who knows better about other software-Resources in the net (Open source, freeware and even testware would do as long as it's full functional, because I don't need it every day but maybe once or twice!)

Thank you anyway...

E. A.

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January 23, 2012 at 14:14:07
Why aren't you just removing the malware & rebuilding the MBR? Bootable Rescue CD? FDISK /MBR?

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January 23, 2012 at 14:21:46
Your terminology is somewhat confusing but the way I understand it you need a basic install disk containing only the operating system and nothing else which gives you the opportunity to install additional software as you require it.

I create an absolute minimum install of the OS (which I activate) and drivers required and I save the back-up. When I need to spring clean my system and re-install I simply re-install the clean back-up and start again.

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January 24, 2012 at 18:32:33
good idea - maybe the best ever...I'll check that and will tell you later - will take some days, because I'm quite busy until the end of next week

E. A.

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January 24, 2012 at 18:35:28
I missed the first one, now I wrote twice...:-))

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January 24, 2012 at 18:41:47
just in short - Most Bootdisks have severe problems on details of complex structures on one or more harddisks at once. Believ me I could write books about such...and even the latest versions of FDisk are not very handy as of the same reason.

Anyway, I'm that kind of"oldie" looking for the "universal key"...:-))

As systems always change and even faster than ever it's just like running after it around the corner and there you meet something unexpected...

...that's life...E. A.

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January 24, 2012 at 18:56:33
For Ewen - Right you said it....but...probably you are simply using ONE primary - I don't for some reasons...So the single backup is then just a dream - no common software does provide any of that yet or would cost more money than I could afford...

I told in the second note, that I need some kind of universal backup - you got that right, but under quite different environments and actually I also would prefer such a solution with more than one O.S. on one media. With DVDs of today it's no problem at all - or just take the other example offered every month somewhere - multiple bootsticks with 10 Linux-live-systems which usually could be installed on other systems also...

But for windows you would never get that...and I guess you know as well as I do the reason they won't make it easy to get onto that...:-))

Anyway - JoliCloud offered two links I just made use of it and I will try a bit later to work on my idea....

Thank you all, until I'll give you feedback whether I have found an easier way for complex systen recovering...:-))

E. A.

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January 24, 2012 at 19:08:44
For Jefro - tonight I'm a bit more relaxed to read and reply...

Like I said; I own a buch of such programs and they all have some disadvantages, especially Acronis (v 9.0). Just "for fun" I have used it on a new install and made a copy of the boot partition c: and d: - and it never recovered from that because of a terrible fault in the software itself, not hiding the copy of an active boot partition!!!

Guess you can imagine what happenend then and I had no chance get that in some order again, but had to kill all copis of the Acronis stuff and re-install again - took me all day long but then I went through it from bottom up with clean partitions also.

That's not the only story I can tell...

The "official" MS way - NT backup with system state - I didn't research on that; maybe you just leave a short what kind of backup you are talking about as this is not "officially" seen in the XP pro environment. Maybe you are talking about server features but I don't use any server software yet...???

Well, I'll be back in about two or three weeks... :-))

So, all of you a good time - hopefully - times are bad anyway...

E. A.

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