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(backing up) Can I just say........

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Name: yodadude1
Date: June 27, 2005 at 18:49:34 Pacific
OS: xp pro sp1
CPU/Ram: 2.2gz 512mb
Comment:

If anyone would like to back up their pc's, may I just say..... Find an alternative! I have over 300 dvd's of backed up data (personal Dbvd backups/Personal cd's etc..) and they break up, and dvd's are so fickle it's untrue.
All of my dvd's are branded and not too cheap. Also my Dvd writer is 1 of the top burners you can buy. And my backups FAIL!!!!! The best backup, as far as I'm concerned is to buy a mass storage tower, and instal the fattest hard drives in it (If you have the money I'd buy an identical setup in case of breakdown.)
I have spent almost a year backing up my collection of dvd's and music (I'm legally entitled to have 1 backup of media purchased), And after all my hard work and effort, I'm left with 44% of my media faulty.
I hate cd's... I hate dvd'd. But I trust hard drives. So now my mission is to attempt to mass storage my collection to hard drive. And ohhh my do i need some storage for my collection. I am soo annoyed, not because i have bad data, but because it took me soo long to back it up, and I paid good money to make sure I had a very good backup system, and believe me, I wrote as slow as i could possibly do so, and every dvd was successfully verified.
With the latest drivers, and an expensive purchase of nero too!
I thought we were advanced in technology nowadays. goes to show the good ol hard drive is, and will, always be the best storage (I have yet to have a duff file on my 15 or so hard drives I've used in my 23 years of using a computer).
LONG LIVE THE H?D!!!!!!!!!

jUST MY 2 CENTS :O)



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Response Number 1
Name: darkfriend
Date: June 27, 2005 at 18:57:36 Pacific
Reply:

Agreed. I have also lost about 3% of my backup files. These are small files however and I salvaged what I could from CD/DVD when I noticed that same problem. Fortunately I didn't lose too many big files. But HDD is the only way to go. FYI Maxtor one-touch is a POS. It will "lock" and you lose your data too. What else can you do to save it all.
-DF


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Response Number 2
Name: yodadude1
Date: June 27, 2005 at 19:03:27 Pacific
Reply:

Bring back analogue. All you had to do was keep it away from speakers, and back it up every 6 months to keep the clarity lol.


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Response Number 3
Name: Chuck 2
Date: June 27, 2005 at 19:04:44 Pacific
Reply:

YA! I had my WD HDD crap out in one year on a new computer.


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Response Number 4
Name: Rich Mentzel
Date: June 27, 2005 at 19:11:09 Pacific
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I'm with all of you and I have yet to buy a dvd-rw. Cdrw's were enough for me. if I had a quarter for every cdrw disk that corrupted after 3 plays, I wouldn't have to work anymore.
It's not bad enough they are worthless, but they are also so slow...I use internal and external hard drives with the extrenals being 1394. I have also had enough of usb drives losing data as well.


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Response Number 5
Name: yodadude1
Date: June 27, 2005 at 19:12:24 Pacific
Reply:

But as i mentioned in my original post... I would buy an identical setup, to match my backup.
It's strange i suppose lol. why backup a backup hehe. but it seems that even though we're led to believe technology has advanced so far, We are still stuck with the same problems we had 20 years ago. but in a different contexted.. i.e... scratched vynals= buy it again....
broken cassetes= buy a new cassette....
Hard drive breaks down= buy a new one..
It doesn't end really does it. there isn't a perfectly safe way of keeping our prized possessions safe.


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Response Number 6
Name: 13526
Date: June 27, 2005 at 19:14:34 Pacific
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Do the original purchased Music and Video DVDs also fail after a while? If not, why backup at all? For all the money you spent for the backup system and blanc DVDs you could buy a second DVD of each. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I backup all my importand data with a USB2 hard drive enclosure to which I can connect any drive that can be used on an IDE port. And, I can go from PC to PC with that enclosure also called cradle.
Peter


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Response Number 7
Name: keltikgent
Date: June 27, 2005 at 19:17:19 Pacific
Reply:

hi,
i have bought brand names cds,dvds sony..memorex etc.. all have gone bad on me.i started buying generic disks<no brand name> 50 cd's for 11 bucks and dvd's 50 for 16 bucks and have yet to have a problem with them.<crosses finger> and i hope they dont crap out on me but for the year i have been using them no problems as of yet.
keltik


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Response Number 8
Name: Dave357
Date: June 27, 2005 at 19:37:42 Pacific
Reply:

I'm confused...

I have a cheap CD burner, but I use Memorex CDR's (mainly because they're also cheap when on sale, and I have several laptop CD-ROM's that are somewhat temperamental about reading burned CD's, but they seem to be able to read Memorex with no problems.)

I have NEVER lost any data that I burned to a CDR.

Hard drives will fail eventually. That is an undisputable fact. They have motors & bearings & such, which will NOT last forever. CD's (properly stored) will last indefinitely. Subjected to extreme heat, prolonged humidity, or the dog's teeth, they will, of course, fail, but barring this type of abuse, they are reliable storage devices.

If the various posters here are losing anywhere from 3% to 44% of their data, I would look to the hardware, rather than the media. Possibly a dirty or damaged/faulty CD player? Peanut butter fingerprints on the media?

Just my 2 cents worth.

HTH

Dave

If Wile Coyote had enough money for all that Acme crap, why didn't he just buy dinner?


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Response Number 9
Name: yodadude1
Date: June 27, 2005 at 19:49:23 Pacific
Reply:

Hi peter.
My point exactly. A backup hard drive is the way that is best. But can you store 300 dvd's and around 200 cd's to this external drive? I wouldn't think so.
And Also, without compressing all that data, it would be more impossible to store.
Would you spend twice the money for that much media? For me buying That many duplicates is not an option.
A few posts ago, I said I downloaded a tune for the sole purpose of listening to it. Without going into the technicalities of that post, it seems the safest way to watch/listen to your fave films/tunes would be to download it. I would agree to downloading media that you have a licence for, therefore excuding you from copyright theft. It would certainly get rid of all my cd's/dvd's lol.
So my point still stands I think. But also opens a good/contriversal opinion.
It would be a great idea to purchase a licence, then download/stream that media as and when you wish to use it.
It's the breach of copyright that will hang over our heads forever, and make this sensible way of getting what we want feasable.


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Response Number 10
Name: yodadude1
Date: June 27, 2005 at 19:59:18 Pacific
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200 cd's was meant to be 2000 cd's.
sowiiiiii.

Dave, If you purchase a high;y respected and well rated storage device, then you wouldn't expect your back ups to fail.
The reason i backed up my media, was to prevent the... what you said.."CD's (properly stored) will last indefinitely. Subjected to extreme heat, prolonged humidity, or the dog's teeth, they will, of course, fail, but barring this type of abuse...."
I have children. They break stuff. They even find a way into a place they're not supposed to be, and are clever enough to do these things without your knowlege. I have dvd's that took me years to find. But i also don't want to pack it, wrap it, lock it, completely seal it from everyone in order to make sure i keep it safe. My reason for watching or listening to backups.
I feel this topic would last a while, but still the end result is the same.....
Our Media can never be kept for as long we would like.


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Response Number 11
Name: BuzzStPoint
Date: June 27, 2005 at 20:13:17 Pacific
Reply:

Being a person who doensn't like to read everything.. I have noticed a few thing.

I guess my question is.....
How in the world do you get 2800 gigs of infomation to backup?

Junk Internet Explorer,
Get Firefox! You'll be happy you did.


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Response Number 12
Name: Dave357
Date: June 27, 2005 at 20:26:28 Pacific
Reply:

yodadude1, I understand your point, but as I said, eventually a harddrive WILL fail, so be redundant...back everything up to 2 harddrives if a HD is your only method of backup.

If your kids decide to play frisbee with a CD, you've lost 700 Megabytes. When (not IF) the HD fails, you've lost hundreds of Gigabytes. I have harddrives that are 8-10 years old that still perform flawlessly, but I know that they will eventually fail.

How many posts have you seen here that begin...

>Help!!! My 1 year old computer just had it's harddrive fail for the second time...


HTH

Dave

If Wile Coyote had enough money for all that Acme crap, why didn't he just buy dinner?


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Response Number 13
Name: domass
Date: June 27, 2005 at 21:39:18 Pacific
Reply:

Agree with Dave, I've said it many times to everyone I know with a computer. It's not IF a hard drive fails it's WHEN. Another tip would be to check your back-up hard drives periodically, so that when the main drive goes you don't discover to late that the back-up drive has gone previously.


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Response Number 14
Name: blackbill
Date: June 28, 2005 at 05:48:06 Pacific
Reply:

A cd or dvd screws up and you have lost one or two pieces of media. A HD screws up and you have lost it ALL.

The less of the 2 evils seem clear to me.


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