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Name: jaywalesuk
Date: April 4, 2008 at 08:56:35 Pacific
OS: Windows XP Pro
CPU/Ram: 4 GB
Product: Intel Core 2 Quad CPU, Q6
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Hi,

Please can someone tell me the most effective back up methods for large amounts of data? Currently i am backing up everything I have using DVD's but recently i used DVD DL, i've always used Verbatim and haven't had any problems with them, but what i'm worried about is how reliably are disks in the end? Would i be asking for trouble backing up everything with DVD9 or should i stick to normal DVDs?

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Response Number 1
Name: jefro
Date: April 4, 2008 at 09:20:23 Pacific
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Why not consider an external drive?

You can use ntbackup to make a complete backup of your system.

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Response Number 2
Name: jaywalesuk
Date: April 4, 2008 at 09:47:25 Pacific
Reply:

I have an external drive, which one is better for long term archiving? external HHD or DVD's? it terms of reliability etc?


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Response Number 3
Name: wanderer
Date: April 4, 2008 at 09:53:59 Pacific
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A DVD is going to last longer than a drive. It doesn't have moving parts.

How much data are we talking about?

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Response Number 4
Name: jaywalesuk
Date: April 4, 2008 at 10:14:06 Pacific
Reply:

well at the moment i have around 100GB of bootable DVD's backed up, and 279GB of data, i was thinking of cutting down on the amount of DVD's i used by using DVD+ DL but problem is that im worried that if i lose the data on one single DVD+ DL disk that 8.5 GB and thats twice as more to lose... if u get me?


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Response Number 5
Name: aegis
Date: April 4, 2008 at 10:17:05 Pacific
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From experience, I have learned to have at least two backups of important data.


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Response Number 6
Name: XpUser
Date: April 4, 2008 at 10:19:52 Pacific
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problem is that im worried that if i lose the data on one single DVD+ DL disk that 8.5 GB and thats twice as more to lose...

Build a vault or rent a bigger safe deposit box. This way you will know they are secured & cannot be lost.

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Response Number 7
Name: wanderer
Date: April 4, 2008 at 10:59:58 Pacific
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Here in a nutshell are the rules of backup

1. Any backup that is not test restored can not be considerd a valid backup
2. You should have two copies of the same backup.
3. A backup should be stored locally and another copy of the same backup should be stored remotely
4. You should protect your backups from environmental degrading influences.
5. Backups should be as secure as your server systems [or more so].

Recommendations:
I am wondering why you would be backing up bootable dvd's. Copies on the shelf should be sufficent.
Given the situation of almost 400gig of data I would suggest a disk to disk backup system. Way this works is you backup [Backup Exec has a disk to disk module] to a raided drive array. From there you backup to tape [you can get more on tape than dvd].
This way you have live redundant data and you have backups.

Keep in mind any system you use as technology changes you will need to restore from the old system and backup again with the new.

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Response Number 8
Name: bluejay
Date: April 4, 2008 at 11:35:22 Pacific
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How about an online storage service?


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Response Number 9
Name: NAN
Date: April 4, 2008 at 11:53:27 Pacific
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Unless you have more data, i would just order two 500+GB hard drive (seagate server class) and put a copy of my backup in each.


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Response Number 10
Name: jefro
Date: April 4, 2008 at 14:24:46 Pacific
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You would do better with an actual hard drive.

Writable DVD's and CD's fail in only a few years.

A simple hard drive can easily last 20-100 years in storage.

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Response Number 11
Name: lurkswithin
Date: April 4, 2008 at 15:37:41 Pacific
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Wanderer is on the right track...double back up.
Your specifications on how you will use the back ups and how long you plan on keeping them has a major bearing on what you should do.

If you are looking for fast retrieval then I would say to use discs and tapes...If you are striving for long term archiving then I would suggest DVD and discs.

and of course the price of on-line/off-site
storage is probably the best option.

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Response Number 12
Name: supertrucker
Date: April 4, 2008 at 18:56:10 Pacific
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try a nas like drobo, built in multi drive array support "4" and hotswapable. not real cheat but nice

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Response Number 13
Name: supertrucker
Date: April 4, 2008 at 18:56:49 Pacific
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*cheap

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Response Number 14
Name: effient
Date: April 4, 2008 at 20:41:30 Pacific
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some intelligent suggestions. If data is vital, you could try Amazon S3 kind of online service (15ยข/GB), or simply save DVD/HD in bank vault for some $100/yr.


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Response Number 15
Name: Michael J (by mjdamato)
Date: April 4, 2008 at 21:07:31 Pacific
Reply:

jefro said:
"You would do better with an actual hard drive.
Writable DVD's and CD's fail in only a few years.

A simple hard drive can easily last 20-100 years in storage."

According to this source and its review of National Institute of Science and Technology studies:
"By following the care and handling guidance provided by NIST, and by considering some important additional factors, you can reliably use optical media for backup purposes."

Who to believe? A hard rive lasting 20 to 100 years? Where do you come up with those numbers? I think it is more probable that you will be able to find a drive that can read DVDs 20 years from now than to find a PC that will allow you to connect a current hard drive.

National Institute of Science and Technology also said:
Only 47 percent of the recordable DVDs tested indicated an estimated life expectancy beyond 15 years. Some had a predicted life expectancy as short as 1.9 years.

So about 1/2 lasted more than 15 years and "some" failed in about 2 years. That's a far cry from the blanket statement "Writable DVD's and CD's fail in only a few years." when in fact MOST go beyond that.

The important thing is to use quality media and proper storage. But, as already stated above you should always have two copies (one of which should be off-site)

Michael J


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Response Number 16
Name: jaywalesuk
Date: April 5, 2008 at 03:45:35 Pacific
Reply:

Well at the moment, i use Verbatim DVD's and have never had a problem with them, their stored in a safe case in the dark

my only concern is loss of data but i've heard some great suggestions here


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