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Name: Veets
Date: November 6, 2008 at 17:50:45 Pacific
OS: XP Pro
CPU/Ram: P4 2.4 GHz 1 gig
Product: Custom Built
Comment:

Hi,

I bought a new Seagate 500 gig drive and am setting up XP Pro on it. As it is formatting, it is telling me that the drive is 131070 MB 131061 MB free. This doesn't sound like 500gig does it? I went to google and searched for how many mb = a gig and it's 1024. Am I setting up the drive incorrectly?

Thanks so much.
Veets



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Response Number 1
Name: Fourteen12 (by Niteflyer)
Date: November 6, 2008 at 18:04:49 Pacific
Reply:

You need to set the drive to either MASTER or SLAVE, if you don't set it to ome of these your bios will read it incorrectly!

You should have a 6 or 7 pin section on the back with a (usually) black or white plastic jumper block on it!

There is usually a diagram on the Hard Drive as to where to place the jumper block to enable MASTER and SLAVE etc...

Matt

Matt


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Response Number 2
Name: Veets
Date: November 6, 2008 at 18:08:22 Pacific
Reply:

Matt,

Thanks so much! Once I change the jumper, do I need to format the drive again and reinstall XP or will it correct the spce after I reset the jumper?


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Response Number 3
Name: Fourteen12 (by Niteflyer)
Date: November 6, 2008 at 18:22:47 Pacific
Reply:

Welcome :)

Nope, once you correct the jimper settings it will work just fine!

BUT....try takingthe jumper block off completely and booting the PC to see how that works :)

Please let me know how I get on :)

Matt

Matt


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Response Number 4
Name: jam
Date: November 6, 2008 at 18:42:38 Pacific
Reply:

"I went to google and searched for how many mb = a gig and it's 1024"

That's correct but HDD manufacturer's don't use 1024, they use 1000. The reason you can't see the full 500GB is probably because you have an older motherboard that doesn't support 48-bit addressing.

http://www.48bitlba.com/

You also need SP1 or better:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/303...

"If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions" - Jules Winnfield (Samuel L. Jackson) in Pulp Fiction


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Response Number 5
Name: Fourteen12 (by Niteflyer)
Date: November 6, 2008 at 18:52:38 Pacific
Reply:

The board can be worked around with right jumper settings! It;s a little known fact but in most cases it can! :)

I don't need praise or thanks but if my advice helps you, then please let me know! :)


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Response Number 6
Name: Richard59
Date: November 6, 2008 at 19:15:56 Pacific
Reply:

Sorry to disagree but jumper settings have little/nothing to do with 48bitLBA. Some drives have a separate jumper to limit their available size but that is not the Master/Slave jumper. It is a separate jumper.

If the motherboard does not support 48bitLBA then unless there is a BIOS update that fixes the problem, the best way to make use of a large drive is as storage in an external enclosure, or internally using a PCI/IDE card.

Goin' Fishin' (Some day)


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Response Number 7
Name: Fourteen12 (by Niteflyer)
Date: November 6, 2008 at 19:38:33 Pacific
Reply:

Sorry to disagree again! lol ;)

Actually, I should have said with a BIOS update! My bad! I should have said the jumpers can be changed with a BIOS update! :)

If the baord is as old as you are suggesting then an external drive (connected through USB 1.0 isn't the best solution as it will be too slow!


Matt

I don't need praise or thanks but if my advice helps you, then please let me know! :)


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Response Number 8
Name: Richard59
Date: November 6, 2008 at 21:03:32 Pacific
Reply:

Without knowing the motherboard make/model number we do not know even if a bios update is available that will enable large drive support. I stand by what I said previously. If such a BIOS update is not available then either external storage or using an interface card is the best way to make use of the large drive. None of these matters have ANYTHING to do with jumper settings on the drive itself.

Your "Advice" was and is factually wrong.

Goin' Fishin' (Some day)


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Response Number 9
Name: Sci-Guy
Date: November 6, 2008 at 23:17:22 Pacific
Reply:

Like Richard said, jumpers on the drive won't enable 48bit LBA. I don't know where you got your information, Matt, but it's completely invalid.

Please let us know if you found someone's advice to be helpful.


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Response Number 10
Name: Fourteen12 (by Niteflyer)
Date: November 7, 2008 at 04:30:05 Pacific
Reply:

Excuse me, my information is NOT invalid! It's from personal experience! Why are you lot trying to make this more complicated for the OP than it has to be.

OP, try the jumpers first and see what results you get, if you don't get any, then we can have a look at either updating your bios.

PM me if you want to but don't it here, you are getting a lot of replies from wannabe supertechs that seem to want to try and complicate things for you.

I don't need praise or thanks but if my advice helps you, then please let me know! :)


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Response Number 11
Name: btk1w1
Date: November 7, 2008 at 05:17:49 Pacific
Reply:

Heya Veets,

Follow the advice that jam, Richard59 and Sci-Guy offer you.

You can see the vast experience of the pool of knowledge you are tapping into by clicking on their names / handles and seeing just how much they have contributed here in the past.

Their past experience here vastly outweighs Fourteen12's so I guess in comparison they are supertechs.

Oh and btw I agree, jumper settings have absolutely nothing to do with drive size recognition, but they have alot to do with drive recognition in as far as whether your BIOS and / or operating system recognises it. IMO


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Response Number 12
Name: Veets
Date: November 9, 2008 at 19:08:40 Pacific
Reply:

Hi,

I just got around to checking the replies today and see I have different suggestions. I pasted some info from System tools. The Bios sees that it's 500gigs but when I got to My Computer it only shows 127gigs. A friend sugegsted that I get a hold of service pack 2 and reinstall. I downlaoded all the service packs and am on 3 but he said that the original installation needed to have been done from SP2.

The 1st info below is about the hard drive and the 2nd below it is about the motherboard. I am totally confused! Amy help is much appreciated.

Thank you!
Veets


Description Disk drive
Manufacturer (Standard disk drives)
Model ST3500630AV
Bytes/Sector 512
Media Loaded Yes
Media Type Fixed hard disk media
Partitions 1
SCSI Bus 0
SCSI Logical Unit 0
SCSI Port 0
SCSI Target ID 0
Sectors/Track 63
Size 465.76 GB (500,105,249,280 bytes)
Total Cylinders 60,801
Total Sectors 976,768,065
Total Tracks 15,504,255
Tracks/Cylinder 255
Partition Disk #0, Partition #0
Partition Size 127.99 GB (137,427,945,984 bytes)
Partition Starting Offset 32,256 bytes


OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 Build 2600
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Manufacturer INTEL_
System Model D845EBG2
System Type X86-based PC
Processor x86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 4 GenuineIntel ~2400 Mhz
BIOS Version/Date Intel Corp. PT84520A.86A.0015.P08.0302261328, 2/26/2003
SMBIOS Version 2.3
Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS
System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.5512 (xpsp.080413-2111)"
Time Zone Eastern Standard Time
Total Physical Memory 1,024.00 MB
Available Physical Memory 536.79 MB
Total Virtual Memory 2.00 GB
Available Virtual Memory 1.96 GB
Page File Space 2.41 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys


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Response Number 13
Name: Richard59
Date: November 10, 2008 at 23:49:18 Pacific
Reply:

When you look in Control Panel > Admin Tools > Computer Management > Disk Management, what information is displayed about the drive?
If it shows total space 500gb( or just under) and a partition of 127gb with 360gb raw space then you should be able to rightclick and create an additional partition in that raw space and format it. It will then be allocated a drive letter and be usable.

If Disk Manager is unable to accomplish this for you then my recommendation is to investigate slipstreaming SP3 into an instal disk and then use that disk to boot, delete the current partition and re-partition the drive. preliminary to a fresh instal of the operating system.

Goin' Fishin' (Some day)


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Response Number 14
Name: Veets
Date: November 11, 2008 at 06:08:09 Pacific
Reply:

Richard59,

Thank you so much. I tried the jumper setting last night and it didn't work. I thought I would try it. Do you know how I can slipstream SP3 or where I can find out how to accomplish this?

Thanks!
Veets


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