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3D games - overheating & freezing

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Name: Larry
Date: February 26, 2002 at 09:14:46 Pacific
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This is my system:
ECS K7S5A Mobo
Athlon XP 1800+
Windows XP home edition
Leadtek Geforce 3 Ti200
SB Live! 5.1
256 MB PC133

I've seen this problem elsewhere, but I may have it half licked. Whenever I use a 3D program (American McGee's Alice or Madonion's 3D benchmark) the computer will freeze after about 1 min, and do that continuous sound loop thing. HOWEVER, when I run the system with the case uncovered, this problem goes away. So, I gather that it's an overheating issue. I am currently using the heatsink & fan that came with my CPU, but do not have a case fan yet. Is there a chance that this problem is my videocard overheating, or is it almost definitely the CPU? How about hard drive or memory? What cooling options would be the best for me (besides leaving the case cover off!)?



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Response Number 1
Name: Barry Halloren
Date: February 26, 2002 at 09:27:45 Pacific
Reply:

I have a similar system and an identical problem:

E7S5A board
Athlon XP 1700+
Elsa Gladiac 32Mb
SB Live Value
512Mb PC133

I too get the freeze and looping thing in 3D games.

I have discovered a few things so far - one is that my sound card is sharing an IRQ (12) with another system resource (the USB hub). Another is that the AGP slot is also sharing memory resources with the video card (but hey, maybe it's supposed to, that I don't know....). Whether either of these things is causing the fault I don't know.... in device manager, none of these sharing issues are throwing up any conflicts.....

Also, I thought of the heat problem (being supsicious, I thought I'd been sold an overclocked chip at first....) and added a system fan. Nothing conclusive from that - it did seem to hang a little less, but it didn't go away.....

I tried d/l ing the latest AGP drivers from the Sis website - nope, still doing it. I'm now going to try turning of the PnP OS setting in BIOS and see whether that does anything.

AGGGGHHHH

Wit's end, or nearly. Can anyone shed any light?


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Response Number 2
Name: princecorum
Date: February 26, 2002 at 09:41:01 Pacific
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stick a fan onto the chipset or the memory area on your video card,whichever is getting the hotest
i super glued my old cpu fan on mine and hey presto it runs cooler by about 20 degrees and i aint had a freeze since


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Response Number 3
Name: Larry
Date: February 26, 2002 at 10:05:46 Pacific
Reply:

All the new video cards already have a heatsink & fan, & mine is no exception. What else do you recommend to cool it off? Is that what's overheating?


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Response Number 4
Name: Scouseknight
Date: February 26, 2002 at 12:11:07 Pacific
Reply:

Larry,

First of all, try reposting this in CPUs/Overclocking as well - there are a lot of knowledgable people from this perspective in there also, that may not look in here.

A few things to try.

You have not told us the spec of your power supply is - I would suggest a 300 watt if you haven't already got one.

I had overheating issues a long time ago with an Athlon 800 - same problem as you, the games would freeze with the sound looping on occasions.

I could run them with the side of the case off, same as you, and I even had a desk fan blowing in there at one point!

The answer for me was the mainboard - I had a MicroStar board, and it was the culprit. I replaced it with a Abit, and the problem disappeared forever.

However, before taking that drastic step, try the following.

A Coolermaster CPU fan is a good choice - go to www.scan.co.uk, and take a look at their top of the range one. It took ten degrees off my temperature (for the record, I now have an Athlon 1800+).

A wider case, with more ventillation is something else to be mindful of.

Are the ribbon cables as tidy as they could be in there? Are they restricting airflow somewhat. Try and tidy them up if there is room for improvement.

To recap :


Heatsink
Power supply
Ventillation/Airflow
Mainboard

These are the areas that cause overheating problems in my experience.

First thing I would try though is the heatsink.

Best of luck.


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Response Number 5
Name: Larry
Date: February 26, 2002 at 12:24:01 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for the advice... yes, I do have a 300W power supply, and my mobo and CPU are the newest additions to my system. I really don't want to replace them just yet, esp. since the system runs fine with the cover off. The heatsink is the one that came with the CPU (retail box), and the cables aren't extremely tidy, but they're sort of off to one side. I did place an order for a 60mm case fan (don't have one), plus a PCI slot fan that moves 40 CFM of air. Hopefully, these will do the trick. Will 300W still be enough?


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Response Number 6
Name: Scouseknight
Date: February 26, 2002 at 12:39:33 Pacific
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Been there myself, Larry, and thew a lot of money at it - I know better now.

300W should still be enough yes.

I would still go for this heatsink as well - it really is a good product, and you can keep it for when you next upgrade.

Here is a link to the heatsink (check out the photograph of it!)

http://www.coolermaster.co.uk/hhc-001.htm

Keep us informed as to how you get on with the PCI slot fan - I would be interested in something like that myself for mine.

If it makes you feel any better, I had mine running for nearly 8 months with the side off, and a desk fan blowing into it. It was noisy, ugly, but worked!

Good luck


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Response Number 7
Name: Larry
Date: February 26, 2002 at 12:44:58 Pacific
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Nice lookin' fan. Do you recommend any thermal compound to go with that? Also, how noisy is this sucker?

P.S. Why did you replace the mobo when you knew the problem was heat related?


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Response Number 8
Name: Scouseknight
Date: February 26, 2002 at 16:02:40 Pacific
Reply:

Larry,

The fan is the best I have seen - and it comes with it's own thermal compound.

The driving force behind getting it was the noise my previous one was making (it was working a little too hard for my liking).

It is fairly quiet.

As for swapping out the mainboard - well, in the end this was the culprit for the heat problems with my Athlon 800.

I had installed a larger PSU, a larger case, a larger heatsink, dual cooling fans and I was still having heat problems, and had to leave the side of the case off (incidentally, all the enhancements were suggestions from experts).

The mainboard was a Microstar, which are small by name, small by nature, and the CPU, AGP Slot and Memory were all pretty much touching. Not good for heat dispersal.

I purchased an Abit board, and from this point on, I was able to run Unreal Tournament in 1024 x 768, side on the case ét all, with no crashing, in a hot room.

Ever since then, I had avoided Microstar, and kept to Abit.

My current mainboard is an EPOX, which I would rate below Abit, but at the time of purchase, the EPOX was the only one recommended by AMD that also had the DDR Ram support, and the Athlon 1800+ XP support.

I hope I have answered your question on the mainboard replacement - it does sound strange I agree.


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Response Number 9
Name: L.G.
Date: February 26, 2002 at 20:40:59 Pacific
Reply:

I have built a amd 1900+ xp with 400 w power pack on asus a7v 266-e mother board with heat sink shut down, 512 of ddr ram, using a huricane 6 fan on main chip and a hurcane 5 in a tunel fan blowing directly onto main chip. also have internial fan runing to cool hard drives. My case is also aluminum to cool down faster.I run at 60 c at all times, gaming or just watching tv.
The most problems that you are having is runing pc 133 ram to small, you are trying to force all the info from 1800+ into your pc133 ram and you will bottle neck all the time and overheat. re: change motherboard to hold ramus or ddr ram and you will run cooler


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Response Number 10
Name: princecorum
Date: February 26, 2002 at 23:27:32 Pacific
Reply:

i must have a cheap vid card no fan, but one more little thing, i on the back side of M/B there is a cooling hole in the case, right behind the chip placement area, when i put a small fan in the hole(a perfect fit) my cpu dropped to 26 degrees from 46.
so i have a fan on my vid card, powerpack,cpu and at the back of the cpu, and the one thats makes the most difference os the one behind the chip,the cheap little thing,of course i had to drilla couple of holes in the case, but dremmels work ok.
personally i am sick of buying expensive bits to keep a system running, so i experiment a bit and find less lavish solutions.


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Response Number 11
Name: Larry
Date: February 27, 2002 at 05:06:06 Pacific
Reply:

The RAM thing does sound logical. I do have 2 PC2100 slots on my MB. How much RAM do you think I should buy for my system? Also, do RAM coolers work ok?


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Response Number 12
Name: Scouseknight
Date: March 1, 2002 at 13:11:12 Pacific
Reply:

I guess it is not so much the amount, but the speed of the RAM that is important, having read LG's post (which makes a lot on sense).


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