Does anyone think Microsoft will eventually fess up and say either they released Vista way too soon before thoroughly testing; or admit to Vista simply being a huge disappointment?

Just curious as to what some of you regulars and experienced folks here would think.
I don't count as one of the experienced folk here, but I'd venture a guess and say Microsoft will possibly only admit to "sales being slightly down", or "we're off to a slow start"; or similar wording...

What do you people think?

Vista isn't a huge disappointment, we'll learn to love it once the bugs get worked out.

I'm reminded of windows 95. win95a sucked, but there were fixes, and we all embraced it. then windows 98, heck by the time they got to 98SE it was pretty good.

Vista is a disappointed in a sense in terms of the 5 year hype leading up to its release. When Vista was finally released as a final version it soon became more of a disappointment and a headache then anything else for most end users that tried it.

It's not nearly as bad as ME was when it debuted, but it's nothing like what most people expected either. Most people expected that Vista was going to be the most compatible, most secure and most stable OS ever right out of the box, but it wasn’t. Then again that was what MS marketed from the get go with Vista.

Maybe when Vista Service Pack 1 comes out it will fix a lot of the bugs, but since Vista left a first bad impression on a lot of end users, it’s going to be hard to convince them to comeback to Vista.

When it's all said and done Vista will go down as the "controversial" OS, because it left that first impression upon many end users when it first debuted.

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Although I bought Vista on launch day, I have keep it undercover, haven't let either of my two comps 'SEE IT'.
Reading the Vista postings on this Forum, I may yet, have to do a midnight burial in the garden.

Funny. I'm happy with it.

Everyone I personally know who is running it is also happy with it.

As for it being disappointing, I see why people are from lack of features that came to fruition compared to what was promised, but I've been so desensitized to falling short of promises on all technology products, not just singling out Microsoft, it just doesn't surprise me anymore.

I chuckled at the touting of "the Wow starts Now" for Vista, just as I chuckled about "our most secure operating system ever" with Windows XP.

I do find it funny though... Vista has some seriously good behind the scenes security stuff going on, and it's not really what Microsoft is really putting in the limelight, instead focusing more on the eye-candy that is Aero. Everything involved within UAC which many people don't know about is quite remarkable.

And the other thing funny about this is most people criticizing Vista the most are people who have had compatibility issues which mostly are due to the better security features Microsoft put in. People don't understand that often times compatibility and functionality are often at odds with each other. Personally, I'm glad Microsoft is putting far more eggs in the security basket, even if it breaks some things.

Microsoft won't fess up to anything, even if it were a mistake, which I don't think is the case, or at the very least, it's too early to tell. Heck, I've never heard them apologize for Windows ME.

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A leading store manager,stated to me lots of his customers are having problems running Vista.Maybe purely anecdotal, with the posts here, must raise some questions.
Although I will install Vista and 'play with it. Maybe people have an inbuilt aversion to Microsoft and it's practices.
Vista was worth watching 'THE BALLMER DANCE'.
My opinion of that was Arrogance Personified. Plus his verbal attack on Google.All this from a leading Executive of Microsoft.

I installed Vista and have been happy with it so far. It's a little different but I'll get used to that. It's given me no compatability issues to speak of so far - it can't pick up anything from my microphone, but my speakers work, and to be fair if the manufacturer bothered to bring out a vista driver it'd probably be fine. even my dodjy obscurley made webcam works - not that I can find how you access it outside of messaging programs yet??
People also told me it's slow, but i've founf it to be pretty smooth so far - true I'm running it on a fairly good machine - x2 4200+, 1GB RAM with a radeon x1600 512MB, but thats hardly the top end of the market, and it didn't cost me the earth - just off ebay, and it made no promises to be 'vista compatible'
I've noticed the security too, and it reminds me a bit of my linux install on the other partition - asking for permission all the time to do everyhting. Whilst I can see the advantages of this, it does get annoying, like it is on linux, constantly typing the admin password

"I'm running it on a fairly good machine - x2 4200+, 1GB RAM with a radeon x1600 512MB, but thats hardly the top end of the market, and it didn't cost me the earth - just off ebay, and it made no promises to be 'vista compatible'"

My brother is running it on an Opteron 165 with 512M of RAM, with Aero on, etc. He says he was surprised despite the lack of RAM, it still runs fine. I must say I don't believe him, or he's not using his computer for much.

"I've noticed the security too, and it reminds me a bit of my linux install on the other partition - asking for permission all the time to do everyhting. Whilst I can see the advantages of this, it does get annoying, like it is on linux, constantly typing the admin password"

Actually, you can run with an admin account with UAC enabled, and instead of having to confirm with your password to do things, you can just click an OK button. This settings is controlled within the Local Policy.

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The ripple effect is too good not to mention.
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I just bought a new machine and had it loaded with Vista Ultimate (I wanted both personal account settings as well as the backup programs).

Overall, the OS is pretty great. I have run into a few issues with permissions, so I have had to modify the settings and add in the appropriate user (had to do it in the registry too for Word and Excel to aviod having to "Accept" the EULA every time I started either of those). This reminds me a little bit of being an NT admin (the common folk may not appreciate this).

Since my hardware is new, I have not had many issues with compatibility.

The UAC may be annoying for people, but i think it is great that if I want to write something that requires admin privileges that it asks me if it is OK. I'll either get really used to it, or sick of it. The nice part of that is that you are less likely to get hacked.

Also, as a part of Ultimate, you get access to these things called extras. The coolest thing they have right now is you can use an mpeg file for your background instead of a picture. They released one with a stream trickling by. It's pretty awesome, but only available (for now anyway?) on Ultimate.

Hey heropsycho2177, weren't you in a big post the other day talking about shutting down ActiveX controls for the regular internet zone for IE? If so, you also mentioned to start adding sites to the trusted zone. Can you help me resolve a conflict I had with that? I like to go to pcpitstop.com and run some of their tests. One of them in particular needs to add an ActiveX contol on my machine. Since I have turned [running] AvtiveX to prompt, I just get an error message from IE (in the title bar) that AxtiveX is not on so it can't run the script. I tried to add that site to my trusted zone, but IE only allows secure sockets (https) to be added and pcpitstop is http. What can I do?

Uncheck the box box where you enter sites in for the trusted zone that says...

Require server verification (https:) for al sites in this zone

"Enough, enough bowing down to disillusion!
Hats off & applause to rogues & evolution!
The ripple effect is too good not to mention.
If you’re not affected, you’re not paying attention!"

Well, that was easy. I feel kind of silly now.

Thank you very much.

heropsycho2177 - one more thing - How do you determine your comfort level to know whether you are going to add a site to your trusted list or not? I know it is very subjective, but would you add computing.net to your list and let their ActiveX controls run?

Plead the 5th if you can't answer on their own site!

I run Vista X64 on my second hard drive and I don't have any problems with it other then Nvidia's crappy display drivers which they are still yet to fix even on the latest drivers.

If your system isn't fairly new at least fully Windows Vista capable then you will run into problems and I think between that and older software compatibility, is what is upsetting to most end users about Vista.

The people that like it are normally the ones that have right hardware and new enough software to run it. And the people that don't like it are normally the ones that either don't have the right hardware and not have new enough software to run it which seems like the majority so far considering the avg consumor buys a new pc every 3 to 4 years.

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The FAA seems to think it might be better off with Linux and Google: http://www.informationweek.com/news...

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"I know it is very subjective, but would you add computing.net to your list and let their ActiveX controls run?"

I don't surf with IE unless I have to.

But to answer your question, I look at how badly I need the functionality I get by adding it, do I even need to surf the site at all, and just a gut feeling of how much I trust it.

"Enough, enough bowing down to disillusion!
Hats off & applause to rogues & evolution!
The ripple effect is too good not to mention.
If you’re not affected, you’re not paying attention!"

I will probably look into buying a customizable system and have a Linux distro installed in it before I would even consider Vista. Too much bloat and I don't like Aero. I just need a reliable OS that can run software and faster is better and a less bloated OS usually faster.

So, yes, I think Microsoft missed the mark big time. Usually MS stock has gone down when a new OS is released but MS stock has been flat for over 10 years. If Linux systems can grab up some of the PC market or Apple and Google would ever merge, Mr. Softy would be in some trouble. Never count a multi-billion dollar company out but I think they would have been better off just continuing to improve XP.

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I would have to agree with CSTAR. Microsoft has lost touch with the most important part of creating an OS ---> The Users.

I gave windows the toss in mid XP-Era and am now a proud Linux user to the max.

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For every Linux user there are at least 10 Windows users, most of which are happy. There's a difference between losing touch with you, and losing touch with the majority of users. If you don't like the OS, fine, but statistics don't support your claim.

Sorry, it just bugs me to no end linux users come in here routinely and trash the OS. Whenever I don't like something in linux, I don't hop on the linux boards and trash linux.

P.S. I like Linux fine.

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