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what is windows vista and how do i get it if it something cool, is it the next windows OS? I though longhorn was next? Is it publicly available?
I JUST LOST 287 gigs entertainment!

I could be persuaded to setup an FTP and allow you access to download a copy of Vista XpUser.
Of course if you install it you'll have to change your name. :)
Tomorrow the Stars!

I am a MRP and can still download VISTA, by the way Vista is NT6, yes can trace it roots back 20 years to OS/2...

Vista is NT6? NT6? Do you mean NT 4.0 SP6? And what do you mean you can trace Vista's roots back to OS/2? Sorry for all the questions, but none of what you just said made any sense to me.
I have NOT lost my mind — I have it backed up on tape somewhere

So is Vista going to be NTFS? Cause I read that M$ is dropping the WinFS project. Will there be any improvements or features added to NTFS?
I have NOT lost my mind — I have it backed up on tape somewhere

OS/2 was developed by M$ and IBM in the mid 80's, eventually with the success of Windows 3.0 M$ decided to go their own way and developed NT3.x from OS/2.
Whereas IBM developed OS/2 into OS/2 Warp 3 and Warp4 and is now sold as eComstaion.
IBM still own some of the code which was and is used in Windows.
NT3 became NT4 became NT5 (W2K) became NT5.1 (XP) has now become NT6 (Vista).
WinFS file system is not stable therefore AFAIK NTFS will be the only choice on fresh installs, whereas FAT32 will be usable on upgrades. FAT16 4GB partition is not big enough for Vista.

Okay, well I knew all that, except I had never heard anyone call Windows 2000 NT5 and Windows XP NT5.1. I Googled it and I see that you are correct with your terminology. Thanks for clearing that up.
I have NOT lost my mind — I have it backed up on tape somewhere

There is not much new in the world of Operating Systems, just more "user friendliness" ?? or is that Bloatware ??

It's strange that Microsoft promised a complete rewrite of their Windows operating system for Vista. Obviously they have yet and will fail to deliver what they promise. All Vista is going to be is another version of NT, as other posts have noted.
It is just a successive version of the NT line. More bloated, requires more power, eats more RAM, does the same sort of stuff. Nothing new here. I just wish that they did, for once, live up to this promise. A complete rewrite would save Microsoft so many man-hours and headaches in the long run.
Imagine, a completely rewritten version of Windows. It could be designed from the ground-up to be highly secure, flexible and bug-free (or as close as humanely possible). User permissions would actually be properly defined and everything could "just work".
Woah, wait, I'm getting ahead of myself. That's pretty much what Mac OS X is right now. Along with Ubuntu and other modern Linux-based operating systems. A shame Microsoft have fallen so terribly behind. The other shame is that it won't make a difference; when Vista is released, people will flock to buy it, upgrade and experience this "fantastic new OS" that, in reality, has nothing new and will just continue the legacy of a pain-in-the-ass operating system. Wooh.
Enjoy computers: use Ubuntu.

This will probably be the last version of Windows as we know it, with the move to STB's and on-line computing.
M$ will likely release a *NIX O/S for Businesses eventually.......

STB's are using M$ IPTV which the interface is actually a HTML/JV/SQL etctetc complient Web Browser, Opera have a similar product, so bye bye Windows...

Like James said, I love Ubuntu. It's by far my favorite OS at this time. I would like to see Ubuntu make it into the more mainstream OS competition eventually.
I have NOT lost my mind — I have it backed up on tape somewhere

I was under the impression that longhorn was to be known as the first windows based 64 bit operating system to go with the new 64 bit cpu's

Longhorn was the code name for what is now Vista, it is still based on XP and XP64 whatever way one looks at it, just a lot of eye candy..............

Longhorn Server is still in BETA testing but this is based on Windows 2003 Server, and will more than likely have a name change....

so it sounds lie vista is not perfect, but nothing is, macs and linix are stable as s---, but they cant doa anything. Try finding high end games to run on a mac lol. So basicaly were at a loss, m$ wont give us a kick as operating system and games dont work on the orther os, so were screwed.
I JUST LOST 287 gigs entertainment!

"Vista will not be the perfect Windows. Too many government regulators have a hand in it - especially the U.S. DOJ & European Union."
I said imagine, didn't I? ;)
The reason that these establishments have some say as to what Microsoft can and cannot put into Windows is because they abused their monopoly of the market. The laws governing companies with a monopoly of something are different to those of a "competitor". The shame is that it is the ridiculous marketing ploys and unfair business ethics/tactics that put Microsoft in this position. If they did something like what I said, I doubt those organisations would have a word to say about it.
"So basicaly were at a loss, m$ wont give us a kick as operating system and games dont work on the orther os, so were screwed."
The only reason you can't find the majority of commercial games on operating systems other than Windows is because of Microsoft's monopoly. If all PC gamers suddenly switched to GNU/Linux or Mac, that is the platform the game development companies will code for.
Anyway, some people would argue that decent gaming is reserved for games console, the machines dedicated to it.
Enjoy computers: use Ubuntu.

If all you use a computer for is high end gaming you are stuck with Microsoft for now.
It you use a computer for real world tasks Linux can do it all, right now.

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