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Name: Kreeos
Date: September 22, 2008 at 18:21:57 Pacific
OS: Vista Home Premium
CPU/Ram: AMD TurionX2
Product: HP Pavillion DV6000
Comment:

Okay, my girlfriend bought an HP Pavillion DV6000 laptop about a month ago.
It's been running fine until recently. It's been having numerous problems with
Windows Live Messenger. An error keeps coming up saying "Windows Live Messenger
has stopped working and needs to close". From my Google searches this problem
is directly related to Windows Vista as no one has reported having this problem
on an XP machine.

I figured a good solution to get rid of the woes we're having (chatting on WLM
via webcam is the primary function of the computer)is to drop her down to XP. I
looked on the net and I found a page with all the XP drivers needed for her
machine.

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/...
os=228&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us〈=en&product=1842155#

I have a few questions. Since there are XP drivers available for it am I
correct in assume I can downgrade the OS without problems? Secondly, do you
think that HP would be willing to send an XP recovery disc even though this
machine was sold with Vista on it? And lastly, I have a full version of Windows
XP Home Edition that I used when building my computer. Would XP have good
enough default drivers to get the computer up and running at the OS level so
that I could install the other drivers or would I need to slipstream a new boot
disc?

Thanks in advance for any help you guys can offer.




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Response Number 1
Name: Kreeos
Date: September 22, 2008 at 18:24:12 Pacific
Reply:

Link didn't post properly last time.

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Response Number 2
Name: jefro
Date: September 22, 2008 at 18:41:03 Pacific
Reply:

"Since there are XP drivers available for it am I correct in assume I can downgrade the OS without problems"

I wouldn't assume that.

I'd remove WLM before I tried a downgrade.


See event viewer logs next time it happens. See exactly what it says for the time stamp.

While it seems that some people "runas" Admin, I'd suggest that you do not do that. It opens a very large security hole in your system.

The event viewer log might show a problem with security or encryption.

"Best Practices", Event viewer, host file, perfmon, antivirus, anti-spyware, Live CD's, backups, are in my top 10


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Response Number 3
Name: itguru
Date: September 23, 2008 at 03:52:02 Pacific
Reply:

"I have a full version of Windows
XP Home Edition"

The licence only covers install on one PC/Laptop

You need to buy a retail version of XP, personally have not come across the Live Messenger problem, since SP1 and subsequent updates to Vista.


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Response Number 4
Name: guapo
Date: September 23, 2008 at 05:19:50 Pacific
Reply:

Micro Center was selling XP for HP OEMs for $150 last year. Also, I read that HP was selling XP machines with Vista licenses.


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Response Number 5
Name: Kreeos
Date: September 23, 2008 at 07:39:44 Pacific
Reply:

@ itguru

The box for the one I have says it's good for
30 activations. It didn't come with my
computer, it's an actual Windows XP Home box
that I bought at a store. No where on it does
it say it's only good for one computer.


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Response Number 6
Name: XpUser
Date: September 23, 2008 at 09:19:36 Pacific
Reply:

Oh yeah but if you had read Windows XP Home EULA (End User License Agreement) you would known that you may install and use Windows XP Home unique product key on one computer only. Partially quoted from the EULA:

Paragraph 1.1 Installation and use.

You may install, use, access, display and run one copy of the Software on a single computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device ("Workstation Computer"). The Software may not be used by more than one processor at any one time on any single Workstation Computer.

Nowhere in the EULA does it say you are entitled to 30 activations other than the following activation restrictions:

Paragraph 1.2 Mandatory Activation.

The license rights granted under this EULA are limited to the first thirty (30) days after you first install the Software unless you supply information required to activate your licensed copy in the manner described during the setup sequence of the Software. You can activate the Software through the use of the Internet or telephone; toll charges may apply. You may also need to reactivate the Software if you modify your computer hardware or alter the Software. There are technological measures in this Software that are designed to prevent unlicensed use of the Software. Microsoft will use those measures to confirm you have a legally licensed copy of the Software. If you are not using a licensed copy of the Software, you are not allowed to install the Software or future Software updates. Microsoft will not collect any personally identifiable information from your Workstation Computer during this process.

Don't like it - return it wherever you purchased it for full refund provided that you have not broken the box seals. Already opened the box? Oh well give M$ a call and speak to one of their legalistic sales representative. Good luck.

i_Xp/VistaUser


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Response Number 7
Name: itguru
Date: September 23, 2008 at 10:22:00 Pacific
Reply:

As regards Vista/XP on HP/Compaq PC/Laptops, if you bought a Business Machine they would come with a choice of Vista or XP if it stated that in the description of the product.

I recently setup a Business HP and if you do not want Vista you boot from the Re-install DVD and a menu pops up stating to choose either XP or Vista (various versions) and you choose the one you have the media for, in my case either XP Pro or Vista Business.

Also OEM's use SLP, so you can always re-install Vista at a later date: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System...


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Response Number 8
Name: Sabertooth
Date: September 24, 2008 at 04:43:21 Pacific
Reply:

"I figured a good solution to get rid of the woes we're having (chatting on WLM via webcam is the primary function of the computer)is to drop her down to XP. I looked on the net and I found a page with all the XP drivers needed for her machine."

Reformating is always a solution to get rid of a software issue, what makes it inappropriate is: It's an overkill -- it's like exterminating a fruit fly with a thick phone book.

What version of WLM are you running? Try a different version to see if you have the same problem. Or better yet, test the Live Messenger Beta version 14.0.5027.908 - you may even like it & stick with it.

Jabbering Idiots: Everywhere You Look!


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Response Number 9
Name: vikramsagar
Date: September 30, 2008 at 03:54:35 Pacific
Reply:

Hi,

I have Vista preconfigured on my HCL system. i want to remove the Vista and install the XP but it seems i can't.

Can anyone suggest any solution for it.?


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Response Number 10
Name: trek1701A
Date: October 1, 2008 at 09:54:15 Pacific
Reply:

Vikramsagar this is Kreeos post. Start your own new post for your own questions.


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Response Number 11
Name: nickjuly4
Date: October 14, 2008 at 18:23:31 Pacific
Reply:

I've had the same problems with WLM and there's a solution to it without having to downgrade to xp. At first I just installed MSN Messenger 7.5 while running it under Windows 2000 compatibility mode, but then after searching around I found out that DEP causes the problem. So, You basically need to turn off DEP.

To disable DEP you first need to enter the command prompt as an Administrator then type:

bcdedit.exe /set {current} nx AlwaysOff

Then you restart your computer and WLM should then work without giving a "Windows Live Messenger
has stopped working and needs to close" error.


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