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Name: mchschadwick
Date: November 9, 2009 at 04:02:15 Pacific
OS: Windows Vista
Product: Microsoft Windows vista home premium w/sp1
Subcategory: General
Tags: Vista, fat, recovery, external, Drive
Comment:

I have an external drive I use for media files. The computer detects it but says it's an unknown device and can't find a driver for it. I'm thinking the FAT was damaged because it wasn't ejected properly from a Western Digital TV box.

Years ago, I had similar problems with dying drives. If memory is correct, I used TestDisk to repair the FAT. I tried this last night and Manage Drives (under My Computer) shows a partition for what I think is the free space on the drive (63MB; The drive is 1TB). There is still no entry in My Computer though.

Please help me recover my data from this drive.



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Response Number 1
Name: Humar
Date: November 9, 2009 at 07:45:20 Pacific
Reply:

Hi,

As you have a 1TB drive, the file system will not be FAT, as FAT doesn't handle drives of this size. It is more likely that the drive used the NTFS filesystem.

Any attempt to repair the drive using a FAT option will fail. So you may have more luck with TestDisk if you approach it with a view to repairing an NTFS filesystem.

Regards


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Response Number 2
Name: wanderer
Date: November 9, 2009 at 15:05:06 Pacific
Reply:

fat32 handles up to 2 terabyte drives
http://www.ntfs.com/ntfs_vs_fat.htm

32gig fat32 is a MS decided limit.

Question is what was used to setup the drive?


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Response Number 3
Name: Humar
Date: November 9, 2009 at 19:27:13 Pacific
Reply:

Hi Wanderer,

Technically you are correct.

FAT32 can address a 1 terrabyte address space but Terrabyte drives in a Windows environment are very unlikely to be to formatted using a FAT file system.

It really doesn't matter that Windows imposed an artificial limit, what matters here is that the drive in question is unlikely to be formatted with a FAT file system.

I said, ... you may have more luck with TestDisk if you approach it with a view to repairing an NTFS filesystem., and I still think that this is appropriate.

Maybe I have missed something - but are Terrabyte hard drives more likely to be formatted with a FAT file system than an NTFS file system in someone using Windows.

I note that the poster said Years ago, I had similar problems with dying drives. If memory is correct, I used TestDisk to repair the FAT.,

and I wanted to suggest that a repair based on FAT was unlikely to be successful. I may of course be wrong.

Regards


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Response Number 4
Name: wizard-fred
Date: November 9, 2009 at 21:39:37 Pacific
Reply:

Many of these devices use Linux or a variant and is most likely not using a FAT or NTFS file system.


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Response Number 5
Name: XpUser
Date: November 10, 2009 at 07:41:46 Pacific
Reply:

wizard-fred is absolutely correct as far as THIS
article goes! Hint: FAT & NTFS file systems will cause NAS drive to stop functioning as NAS drive.

i_Xp/Vista/W7User


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Response Number 6
Name: mchschadwick
Date: November 10, 2009 at 07:42:03 Pacific
Reply:

For whatever reason, the drive is now working. I had already powered down both the drive and the computer several times. Last night, I unplugged the power and USB cables from the drive and reattached them. All is fine now. I know loose cables can cause issues. I wouldn't have expected that particular problem though. lol

In my case, it's currently FAT32. However, it may be that I formatted it at some point. Thanks for the information though. :)


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Response Number 7
Name: OtheHill
Date: November 10, 2009 at 12:01:04 Pacific
Reply:

Humar

Many external drives are pre-formatted using FAT32 for maximum compatibility. I agree a drive that size should be NTFS if being used exclusively in the NT environment.


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Response Number 8
Name: wanderer
Date: November 10, 2009 at 12:30:41 Pacific
Reply:

Yep. Which is why I mentioned fat32.

mchschadwick the lesson to learn here is you need to be backing up what you are putting on this usb drive.

Understand there is storage media and transfer media.

Memory sticks are transfer media. Just like the days of old with floppy's, they can die in a heartbeat with no recovery.

You got lucky this time. You know the saying of pushing your luck... :-)


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Response Number 9
Name: mchschadwick
Date: November 10, 2009 at 16:36:56 Pacific
Reply:

Very lucky. I will buying another drive for backup when I get paid. Which brands do you guys normally prefer? Right now, I'm thing Seagate or Western Digital. My previous drives were Lacie and all three died. Thanks again.


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Response Number 10
Name: OtheHill
Date: November 10, 2009 at 18:12:56 Pacific
Reply:

IMO, the best media for permanent archiving is optical media.

DVDR is cheap and dependable.

However you do it you should maintain at least TWO copies of any data you want to keep.

If you are storing one on the external then burn the data to DVDR. Once you catch up you can easily keep up.

Another advantage is that it is cheap and fast to duplicate the disks for even safer backups. Offsite, for instance. Safety deposit boxes are good to store copies of your data and your software.

While I am on it I will share another technique I always use. Just did it recently with Windows 7. I burn a copy of the software as soon as I get it. Then I use the copy to install the software. That way I verify my copy is good and I always have a copy. I put the original away for safe keeping.


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