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Best Vista/XP Pro Dual Boot Setup?

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Name: susanrs
Date: September 14, 2008 at 11:17:10 Pacific
OS: OEM Vista Home Premium SP
CPU/Ram: 2.1 GHz/2 GB
Product: Toshiba Satellite P305D
Comment:

This computer came with Vista pre-installed. I would like to add XP-Pro in a dual boot setup in which Vista remains as C: and XP-Pro becomes D:. I will also be setting up two other partitions - one for data and one for media.

I understand I can setup dual boot in Vista using Disk Management. I also own Norton Partition Magic 8.0 which comes with their Boot Magic utility.

The question is: which method would be better for setting up the dual boot system?

In the past, I've used PM and have had great success with it. That, however, was on ME/2000/XP systems. Given that Vista is so different, perhaps using a third-party boot manager wouldn't be so good?

Also, this computer has a 250 GB Serial ATA hard drive. Can XP Pro be installed on a serial ATA drive?

Thanks in advance!

- Susan



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Response Number 1
Name: Sabertooth
Date: September 14, 2008 at 12:13:42 Pacific
Reply:

If you do a search for this task, you'll get more than a few returns, albeit with one underlying caveat: It is always good to have XP installed first & Vista last so that your Vista bootloader isn't overwritten by XP. However, tools like EasyBCD makes the issue easy to fix. The other good thing is: you do not need PM to get the above accomplished.

http://www.pronetworks.org/forum/vi...

http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_...

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Response Number 2
Name: susanrs
Date: September 14, 2008 at 13:25:19 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for the quick reply, Sabertooth.

You're right - when I initially did a search here on this topic, I did get a lot of results. Most seem to involve scenarios in which XP was installed first (which is not my situation) and cases in which people have a bootable Vista DVD (which I don't have, as the OS was pre-installed.)

Also... I understand that since this computer has a SATA drive, I need to make sure I have Windows XP SATA Controller drivers available as they may be necessary for Windows XP setup to be able to "see" the partition on which you intend to install it.

So, I guess my question is this - given the above, will using a third-party program like Norton's Boot Magic be the better method?

I read in another post on this topic that the above-mentioned issues can be bypassed if the new partition with the XP boot installation is "hidden" from Vista. I think that's exactly how Boot Magic works - it "hides" the secondary operating system from the first.

Or, are these two different issues -- installing a second OS in a new partition and making that second OS bootable?

Thanks,

Susan


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Response Number 3
Name: XpUser
Date: September 14, 2008 at 13:30:18 Pacific
Reply:

There are really TWO underlying caveats. Beside what Sabertooth already told you above, do yourself a favor and search the internet for Windows XP-compatible drivers for your Toshiba. If you cannot find all the drivers you need, spare yourself the agony of trying multibooting.

Also be aware that Partition Magic is incompatible with Windows Vista.

i_Xp/VistaUser


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Response Number 4
Name: susanrs
Date: September 14, 2008 at 14:03:32 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks, XPUser -

Just got back from visiting the Norton website to discover, regretably, that you're right - Partition Magic (and the built-in Boot Magic) are incompatible with Vista.

:-(

So, off now to see whether I can find XP drivers for this Toshiba.

Am I correct in assuming that if Toshiba doesn't provide XP drivers for this machine, there's absolutely no way I can install XP and dual boot with it? :-( Or, does anyone know a work-around?

Thanks again.


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Response Number 5
Name: Sabertooth
Date: September 14, 2008 at 15:12:00 Pacific
Reply:

That was a really good hint back there from Xp - ahem - VistaUser! You definitely want to arm yourself, or know ahead of time, how & where to obtain XP drivers for the applicable components on your Toshiba model.

I just checked & it looks like there are several versions of that model listed under Toshiba's driver page. If you are lucky & you happen to have one with XP & Vista drivers for your components. Then you ought to be able to get this dualboot going fairly easily.

http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/...

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Response Number 6
Name: susanrs
Date: September 14, 2008 at 15:38:08 Pacific
Reply:

Yeah, I got excited about that page when I first saw all the drivers that are available for this model - P305D-S8818. Unfortunately, no windows XP SATA Controller drivers listed.

And I'm assuming without XP drivers for the hard drive itself, I'm out of luck?

Should I give up and just force myself to get familiar with Vista? I mean... how much worse than XP is it, really?

Thanks!


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Response Number 7
Name: XpUser
Date: September 14, 2008 at 16:50:27 Pacific
Reply:

.. how much worse than XP is it, really?

None as far as my wife, myself, my friends and my clients are concerned.

i_Xp/VistaUser


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Response Number 8
Name: Sabertooth
Date: September 14, 2008 at 17:07:32 Pacific
Reply:

Nearly every, if not all, motherboards released out there today supports SATA storage controller operating in IDE mode. Just go into your system's BIOS & look in there. Somewhere under the advanced options, you should find the SATA controller configuration settings menu. If you notice anything listed there including: Native; Standard IDE; IDE; AHCI etc ... that's where you set it for IDE emulation.

If the above is not the case with your Toshiba model, all hope is not lost. Just load the SATA drivers manually during XP's installation or use a Slipstreamed XP disc with the SATA drivers for your installation. It is not that hard to custom make. I don't see why you have to give up on the dualboot. Although, it would be nice to get yourself more comfortable with Vista: it is not as complicated as people make it out to be. Most of the complaints are emotional because people just don't like to change, but guess what: XP is an OS of the past. The links below are there to help you get sorted out.

http://paparadit.blogspot.com/2007/...

http://icecafe.wordpress.com/2008/0...

http://support.intel.com/support/ch...

http://askiris.toshiba.com/ToshibaS...

http://askiris.toshiba.com/ToshibaS...

http://www.gtopala.com/siw-download...

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Response Number 9
Name: lshortt
Date: September 15, 2008 at 20:54:51 Pacific
Reply:

Not to butt in but I'm looking at the same issues. Would installing XP on an external drive be better than a partition?

And there's a lot of differences between the two, and not necessarily good ones. I have a lot of favorite programs that wont work in Vista.

Lynn


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Response Number 10
Name: lshortt
Date: September 16, 2008 at 15:18:39 Pacific
Reply:

Well, I solved all my dual boot problems! Microsoft's Virtual Machine. I downloaded it, installed it, and installed XP Pro on it and it works great!. Rather than a dual boot, XP is working within a window which is all I needed for a few programs. Now I just have to delete that partition I didn't need.

Lynn


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Response Number 11
Name: jefro
Date: September 16, 2008 at 15:55:08 Pacific
Reply:

Vista is supposed to let you expand your vista partition on to the left over space. Use the admin tools. See help and support for expand partition.

"Best Practices", Event viewer, host file, perfmon, antivirus, anti-spyware, Live CD's, backups, are in my top 10


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Response Number 12
Name: lshortt
Date: October 3, 2008 at 19:43:46 Pacific
Reply:

I should have tried more to do the partition and dual boot. Now I need to know how to shrink the Virtual machine window down from full screen. Meanwhile, I helped my husband delete a Ubuntu partition and unfortunately it had his boot menu on it and he couldn't get in at all! Now he has a new PC (about time. was using my old one) and I'm getting the old one back and will put XP on it!

Lynn


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