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Name: Benno
Date: September 3, 2002 at 07:06:54 Pacific
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I have an NT4 (sp6a) domain server. I have a number of clients, w95 and w98, that can connect using the usernames (and scripts) on the server without problem.

Now I try to add an XP-pro machine (new machine). I am not able to login to the domain, except for 1 account I made on the XP machine and the server (2 entries of this user, 1 on XP and 1 on NT).

Does this mean I have to enter all users that are allowed to login to the XP machine on both the XP machine and the server? If yes, are there any tools I could use to automate this, since I hate doing double work (and needing another XP machine added next week).

I chose to login to the domain on the login box on XP.

Any help or advice is welcome.

Thanks.

Benno



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Response Number 1
Name: mick
Date: September 3, 2002 at 07:52:56 Pacific
Reply:

Is this definately a domain or a workgroup?


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Response Number 2
Name: Benno
Date: September 3, 2002 at 07:58:55 Pacific
Reply:

Mick,

It is a domain as far as I can tell. I set up the NT4 server to be a PDC. From the workstation (w95 and w98) I can login Ok and it loads the scripts (put in winnt\system\repl\scripts.

From the XP machine, with this one user setup, when I login to the domain I get the correct rights for that user (on the folders). Also when I login using my admin account of the server, I can access folders on the server (where I have the rights). Using any other account gives me a problem.

How can I verify your question to be shure?

Thanks for your prompt answer


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Response Number 3
Name: mick
Date: September 3, 2002 at 08:09:23 Pacific
Reply:

If you go into Server Manager on the Server (Administrative tools) it will tell you if the server is Primary


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Response Number 4
Name: Benno
Date: September 3, 2002 at 11:12:17 Pacific
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Mick,

I just went down to check the server. I started servermanager, is says: WindowsNt4.0 Primary.

I have a servername that is different from the domainname, could that be a problem?

The old machines (w95 and 98) connected using Netbeui, recently I added TCP/IP for internet access.

The XP machine does not have NetBeui but uses TCP/IP. I added the TCP/IP adress of my server in the hosts file, and also an entry to this TCP/IP using the domainname. I can ping the server using both names.

Is there a way I can see the XP machine really connected to the domain? When I use the local user I setup that also has an account on the server, he seems to be able to connect (using domain login choice), but all other users don't.

Do I need to setup some kind of link on the server, to enable the XP machine to use the user database on the server? I did not have to do that for the w98 and w95 machines, but perhaps it is needed for XP?

Thanks.

Benno


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Response Number 5
Name: mick
Date: September 4, 2002 at 01:35:45 Pacific
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Hi Benno

NetBeui is a very old protocol that is not routable across domains which might cause you problems when you try to introduce the Internet (which runs on TCP/IP). Windows 2000 and XP run on TCP/IP by default so I suggest you convert the Internet protocol first. This will increase the efficiency of your domain and also be one less anomoly if you have routing problems. It will also assist you if you decide to share your Internet connection giving all PCs in the domain Internet connectivity. If you go to the url below it will give you the basics

http://wown.com/

but there are many tcp/ip sites out there.

If a PC is connected to the domain correctly it will show up in server manager. This is true for Windows 95, 98, 2000 and XP. It might not show up straight away (windows NT is like that)but it will show up.

In order to have any PC access the server database, the easiest way will be to share it. The default security for a share is to give everyone access.

See how that goes and we will take it from there


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Response Number 6
Name: Benno
Date: September 4, 2002 at 02:42:04 Pacific
Reply:

Mick,
[quote]
If a PC is connected to the domain correctly it will show up in server manager
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I will check this tonight, to see if the XP machine shows up in server manager.

I'll also check out the URL you suggested. I currently also have TCP/IP running on all PC's, using DHCP and I have a SOHO router in the network for internet access. This is used to share the ADSL connection, and works OK. All workstations get an IP from the DHCP server in this router. The server has a fixed IP.

[quote]
In order to have any PC access the server database, the easiest way will be to share it. The default security for a share is to give everyone access.
[/quote]
I don't understand what you mean. I can share the folders on the server already (also from the XP machine). I am not able to use the usernames I setup on the server. Are they in some folder I need to share (I guess that would be a very insecure login on nt).

I'll check it out.

Thanks

Benno


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Response Number 7
Name: mick
Date: September 4, 2002 at 02:59:51 Pacific
Reply:

The usernames are in the SAM database on the NT server but you do not need to worry about sharing it (NT takes care of all of this in a secure ??? way)

If the XP machine is connecting to the domain correctly, any name you add in User Manager on the server should be able to log onto to the XP client.


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Response Number 8
Name: Benno
Date: September 4, 2002 at 11:57:46 Pacific
Reply:

Mick,

I don't get it anymore. I just went down to test on XP (only 1 person was working and logged in at this moment). I was able to loging to the domain using my personal name without a problem now. So I used another login and was able to connect. Then I setup a new account on the server, logged in on XP and was able to connect.

I did not change anything in the setup, so I don;t understand. The only thing I can come up with is my DHCP server. All clients get an IP number from this server. Now there was only 1 PC connected, normally there are about 8-10 PC's connected. My server has a fixed IP and my DHCP is setup to lease IP numbers starting at 192.168.0.10.

Well I'll try to find out what;s happening and if I find it I will let it know here.

Now for my next challenge, setting up a profile on the XP machine that all users will use (desktop and programs).

Thanks a lot for your help until now.

Benno


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Response Number 9
Name: mick
Date: September 5, 2002 at 07:34:57 Pacific
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Windows is like that I am afraid. unfortunately you don't know how the problem was solved. I might suggest going through the event logs to look for any pointers.

Any problems post it and I will try to assist if I can


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