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Name: Jonpaul
Date: September 5, 2000 at 05:51:18 Pacific
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Does a PDC have to be on the same subnet ?
If not how did configure the workstations which are not on the same subnet ...?



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Response Number 1
Name: Andrew
Date: September 5, 2000 at 06:26:45 Pacific
Reply:

Not exactly, but you do have to find a way to route the two subnets together. A good way would be to have two NICs on the PDC, one on each subnet with IP forwarding enabled. Hope this helps.


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Response Number 2
Name: Magic Fingers
Date: September 5, 2000 at 06:31:20 Pacific
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What's the idea behind this?
In a lager subnetted network you might want to place a BDC in each subnet, especially when using WAN connections...


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Response Number 3
Name: Jonpaul
Date: September 5, 2000 at 06:48:35 Pacific
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First thank you for your response.

The Problem : - i have a group of servers with ip numbers. I have a bunch of desktops which operate on address translation. If i have the PDC on one subnet, the others (either Servers or desktops) can not logon via the PDC, though they both are able to browse. This is all lan based. I have no BDC at the moment. I need one .. yes but can i get all the users to logon to one pdc from two differnt subnets? How... i'm not sure.
Tried to set lmhosts.. not working, even with pre and dom settings. All connected via a switch.
Jonpaul


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Response Number 4
Name: Andrew
Date: September 5, 2000 at 06:52:46 Pacific
Reply:

Yes, but if each subnet has it's own BDC the it wouldn't have to cross to the other subnet to authenticate. The BDC's would be connected to the PDC thru trust relationships and there would still have to be some sort of routing or WINS\DNS to provide network browsing to the subnets. Also, each location would most likely have a router as well.


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Response Number 5
Name: Magic Fingers
Date: September 5, 2000 at 07:06:25 Pacific
Reply:

There are multiple issues here:
1. Single NT domain or Multiple domains?
trusts are only used only when more then one NT domains are involved.
2 Logon
When a or more BDC's are used, they do the logon validation; not the PDC
3 Routing is needed when using subnets to be connected to each other...

If there's no WAN connections involved,(are all pc's and server's in the same building?) you should consider using only one ip net, no subnets.(how many pc's and servers are we talking about?)


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Response Number 6
Name: Jonpaul
Date: September 5, 2000 at 07:20:19 Pacific
Reply:

Single domain....
25 desktops
15 servers
sercurity is an issue...
The interal subnet is routed through address translation which routes outgoing only traffic. I want the PDC outside of this network to be able to service logons from desktops coming through the Address translation. All ports are open, but they must be opened by the internal computer first. The servers on the outside with the PDC are before another firewall which has te link + webservers.

I think maybe the address translation is preventing the diffenet subnets fro using the PDC. But is it possible to route Logon requests. Can 2 subnets with no firewall + using WINS process the logon?

Jonpaul


(I have wins also on the PDC. Small company..... ) Thanks for the responses...


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Response Number 7
Name: Magic Fingers
Date: September 5, 2000 at 07:40:46 Pacific
Reply:

First of all that's a lot of servers for only 25 clients...
I have the same amount of servers for 100 clients in network with two subnets because there are two buildings...

Correct me if I'm wrong:
Your idea is to create a situation in which your network is attached to the internet (permanent connection/dial up) and you want to place most of the servers together with the client pc's in a subnet to be (more) secure from harassment from the internet?

If so, I'd suggest a multidomain situation:
One domain (internal) in one ip-net (no subnets)with all servers and clients.
and
another domain (external) (can be in the same ip net)in which one server (PDC) wil be connected to the internet (ISP) configured with proxy/virusdefense/whatever
let the external domain trust the internal domain (single trust) so that any user from the internal domain can access the external domain (and internet) but no user can access the internal domain from the external domain.
This means security on the internal domain because there's (theoreticaly) no access posible from outside. This means you'll have to secure the server which is connected to the internet.


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Response Number 8
Name: Jonpaul
Date: September 5, 2000 at 12:14:24 Pacific
Reply:

cheers


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Response Number 9
Name: Magic Fingers
Date: September 6, 2000 at 03:24:27 Pacific
Reply:

This means you have all the info you need?


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Response Number 10
Name: wolfie
Date: September 8, 2000 at 18:18:31 Pacific
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only one domain used , so trusts aren't involved. wins isn't required.
subnet without pdc: as long as domain name is set right, ip , mask and def gway is correct,use lmhosts is ticked, lmhosts configured correctly, named correctly and in the right place then the workstation will get there.


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Response Number 11
Name: frapie
Date: September 18, 2000 at 06:47:04 Pacific
Reply:

you could try using a router as well which might help if programed correctly


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