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Mouse in NT

Original Message
Name: deus
Date: September 4, 2005 at 20:11:50 Pacific
Subject: Mouse in NT
OS: win98
CPU/Ram: 98M
Comment:
Hi,

I'm new to NT.
I was trying to install an NT training kit, so I can start to learn NT. During the installation, I was prompted to choose NTFS or FAT32. I was not sure of what to do I chose NTFS.
Can someone explain the difference between NTFS and FAT32

I went through the installation and the mouse doesn't work.

The mouse was working a munite ago from another computer with windows 98, so the mouse is good.
I checked the mouse connection from the back of the computer and everything is ok. However, the mouse doesn't work.
is it possible that the mouse is only working with windows 98 and not NT? how can I solve the problem?

Please, help?

Deus,


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Response Number 1
Name: hp78945
Date: September 4, 2005 at 22:43:45 Pacific
Subject: Mouse in NT
Reply: (edit)
Hi Deus,

If you are going to use the FAT file system, it can't be FAT32, this is because Windows NT 4.0 can only see the file systems Fat16 or NTFS. So if you are going to use the FAT file system, do not enable large disk support in fdisk. FAT16 partitions can't be any bigger that 2GB each.

If you are going to use the NTFS file system, use the Windows NT Workstation Setup to convert the partition. The main advantage of using the file system NTFS is the security, if you use the FAT16 file system instead of the NTFS one then you will not be able to make full use of security features.

Your mouse is probley not working because of possible issues with drivers or other hardware, causing conflicts with the mouse. If you have recently installed additional hardware then I would remove it just to make sure that it is not the hardware that is making the mouse not work. . If you are using a PS/2 mouse verify that it is connected into the PS/2 mouse port and not the PS/2 keyboard port located on the back of the computer.
Boot into Safe Mode - In safe mode, attempt to move your mouse; if the mouse does work within safe mode: Click Start / Settings / Control Panel / System / click the Device Manager Tab. In device manager click the '+' by the mouse if not already a '-'. This should expand the mouse and display all mouse devices currently installed. Remove all mouse’s listed. Once all are removed, reboot the computer and let the computer boot normally into Windows. If your mouse does not continue to work once back in Windows, continue with the below steps.
Follow Operating System basic troubleshooting steps.
If you are still encountering the same issue and have another mouse, attempt to hook another mouse which uses the same connection into the back of the computer. If the other mouse works in this computer attempt to use the mouse not working in another computer.

Hope this Helps.
George


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Response Number 2
Name: trvlr
Date: September 4, 2005 at 23:15:06 Pacific
Subject: Mouse in NT
Reply: (edit)
slight correction re' fat16...

NT can create/access fat16 to a max of 4Gig. Likewise W2K/XP (and presumably Longhorm - or whatever it's called..).

However if you were (via dos/'9x(ME)) to try accessing a fat16 area that exceeded 2Gig you woud not be able to.

If George's advice re' the "rodent" (which won't work under NT) doesn't resolve it for you, post back and indicate which type it is - serial or ps2 breed?


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Response Number 3
Name: plainandsimple
Date: September 4, 2005 at 23:28:39 Pacific
Subject: Mouse in NT
Reply: (edit)
FAT16 4gb is OK with NT4/W2K/W2K3/XP but not Vista.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/100108/EN-US/


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Response Number 4
Name: hp78945
Date: September 5, 2005 at 00:06:02 Pacific
Subject: Mouse in NT
Reply: (edit)
Hi
Sorry, there is no device manager in NT, and FAT16 will only do up to 2GB on my PC and it has a 4GB hard drive? But yes FAT16 can do a max of 4GB. Sorry, my mistake.
"is it possible that the mouse is only working with windows 98 and not NT?" you might need to install mouse drivers for it to work?
good luck

George


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Response Number 5
Name: trvlr
Date: September 5, 2005 at 00:11:03 Pacific
Subject: Mouse in NT
Reply: (edit)
ta for that:

... as I said - "and presumably Loghorn..." (Vista) as opposed to an implied defintitely with Longhorn...; the M$ reference etc. is useful to have around.


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Response Number 6
Name: trvlr
Date: September 5, 2005 at 00:29:11 Pacific
Subject: Mouse in NT
Reply: (edit)
Incidentally where did you get your info re' Longhorn/Vista and 4Gig fat16 partitions?

Frequently useful to have a valid/current reference to offer others...

Loghorn/Vista is not discussed at all in the above M$-KB reference (which is in essence an update of an earlier KB); neither is W2K/XP/W2K3 but it is generally known they are OK with 4Gig fat16.


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Response Number 7
Name: plainandsimple
Date: September 5, 2005 at 01:34:08 Pacific
Subject: Mouse in NT
Reply: (edit)
http://www.winsupersite.com/

http://www.computing.net/windowsnt/wwwboard/forum/22878.html


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Response Number 8
Name: plainandsimple
Date: September 5, 2005 at 01:41:40 Pacific
Subject: Mouse in NT
Reply: (edit)
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winfs_preview.asp

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Response Number 9
Name: plainandsimple
Date: September 5, 2005 at 06:47:06 Pacific
Subject: Mouse in NT
Reply: (edit)
As an aside Vista does not support 16bit subsytem, therefore as they will ditch an awful lot old dos/windows9x compatibility it made sense to also ditch FAT16 and its limitations, especially seeing 4GB is barely enough space to install Vista. I also believe FAT32 will not be offered on a fresh install.

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Response Number 10
Name: trvlr
Date: September 5, 2005 at 07:09:40 Pacific
Subject: Mouse in NT
Reply: (edit)
Yes: reading Paul's site does seem to indicate that it's ntfs only during setup/installation. There appears to be a degree of legacy support being there for some previous file systems - fat32 at least (as in a dual-boot). It doesn't read too clearly as regards fat16 (2 or 4Gig levels) in terms of legacy support?

I guess it's inevitable that fat16 will go in the fulllnes of time...; and that fat32 will survive a little longer? Possibly someone will write a nice little util that will allow Vista to deal with fat16 etc. if need-be (at least to read it - much like fat32 for NT and ntfs for '9x/ME)?


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Response Number 11
Name: deus
Date: September 25, 2005 at 00:05:11 Pacific
Subject: Mouse in NT
Reply: (edit)
Hi guys,

This is the story I promised.

I reformatted the drive and re-installed NT, the mouse still doesn't work..


I took a different computer, reformatted the C drive, and installed NT with Fat option, the mouse worked fine. (The same mouse that did not work in the first computer)

I presumed that the problem is with the computer hardware or the CMOS. I have to find out, and then I will let you guys know.

Deus,



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Response Number 12
Name: deus
Date: October 17, 2005 at 20:05:49 Pacific
Subject: Mouse in NT
Reply: (edit)
hi guys,

the same computer the mouse refused to work with.

I reformated the drive and installed win98 on it, the mouse woked fine. I'm not sure of what has happened. I will keep on searching until i can understant what has happened. Obviously the computer has no physical damage. I have to let you guys know what the problem is. so far I don't know!

deus,


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