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A few questions about 3.51

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Name: Trent M
Date: June 22, 2008 at 16:20:49 Pacific
OS: Windows NT 3.51
CPU/Ram: AMD K6-2 /
Product: Compaq Presario 5365
Comment:

Hello, all, i've recently downloaded Windows NT 3.51 from www.vetusware.com, and installed it in Microsoft Virtual PC 2007. I am attracted by it's more technical interface, it's 32 bit capabilities, and the fact that it's almost as functional as Windows 9x, while still keeping the traditional Windows 3x style buttons and controls. (I'm one for nostalgia!)

I'm interested in installing it on my older computer, and I have some questions before I do so:

1. Does Windows NT 3.51 support FAT32?

2. Wikipedia states it as a 32 Bit only OS. Does this mean it can't run 16 bit programs? (Like those that Windows 1x-3x can only run?)

3. Does it support the SiS 530 video adapter so I can do higher resolusions and color depths? (It supports the S3 vid adapter in Virtual PC)

4. Does it have any Y2K problems?

5. In the menu that asks whether you want to run Windows NT 3.51, Windows NT 3.51 in VGA mode, or MS-DOS, if I install Windows NT 3.51, then later install Windows 9x, will an option to boot to Windows 9x appear in the menu?

Thanks!

-Trent

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002

AMD Sempron 2500+ @ 1.74 Ghz

512 MB RAM



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Response Number 1
Name: os2fan2
Date: June 23, 2008 at 04:22:18 Pacific
Reply:

it's its for possessive, it's for "it is"

1. NT 3.51 or NT4 do not support fat32 natively, but there are third party stuff. Look for "bearwindows" on the internet.

2. It can indeed run Win16 apps, in the fashion that WinXP can. In fact, this support is identical!

3. It was released before 2006, so yes it has Y2K problems.

4. You can boot Win9x from this menu. Get bootpart from www.winimage.com for this. You can even boot Win351 and WinXP on the same menu! The trick here is that any NTFS partition will be updated, and so if NT4 sp4 or later and something earlier is to be used together, install NT 3.51 on a FAT partition.

5. Look for NTSHELL - you can run both Windows 3.1 and Explorer together! ntshell runs as an app. (not the MSFT ntshell, the calmira one. You can even use calmira as a shell!

The dream you dream alone is only a dream,
The dream we dream together is reality.


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Response Number 2
Name: Trent M
Date: June 23, 2008 at 12:48:31 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks!

Is bootpart something like fdisk?

-Trent

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002

AMD Sempron 2500+ @ 1.74 Ghz

512 MB RAM


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Response Number 3
Name: Trent M
Date: June 23, 2008 at 15:15:27 Pacific
Reply:

This is my scenario: Using MS-DOS 6.21 to make and format a ~1 GB FAT16 partition, installing 3.51, then booting to DOS 7.10, and using its fdisk program to turn the rest of the hard disk space into a FAT32 partition, installing Windows (95 or 98).

Since Windows 98 will boot automatically after it's installed when I turn on the computer, I can just use fdisk to turn NT 3.51's partition active so it boots automatically, right?

If I choose to install Windows 98, and make 3.51's partition active, will an option to boot to 98 be available on 3.51's boot list, despite it's on a FAT32 partition, which 3.51 can't read?

Also, is NT 3.51 compatible with MS-DOS 7.10?

-Trent

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002

AMD Sempron 2500+ @ 1.74 Ghz

512 MB RAM


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Response Number 4
Name: os2fan2
Date: June 24, 2008 at 02:49:06 Pacific
Reply:

The layout i used for Windows 3.51 etc was

1. c: primary fat16 partition = 496 MB

Windows will not convert this to fat32 or ntfs.

2. primary 8MB partition for os/2 boot manager.

3. balance = extended partition.

4. d: fat16 for Win351. Later versions of Windows will convert 3.51 NTFS to an unreadable form.

5. e: 1 G fat32 partition, for Windows 9x.

6. f: 1-2 G hpfs partition for OS/2

7. g: 8 MB partition NTFS for Windows 4

8. h: 8-10 MB partition for Windows 2k

9 i: 10-12 MB partition for Windows XP.

You can leave out whatever you like of this list, except OS/2 requires the boot manager.

You can use something like bootpart to boot inactive partitions, without using fdisk. It adds an entry and a bootsector to the BOOT.INI loader

You can use just one layout like i have above. Just have backup copies of the latest NTLDR and NTDETECT.COM to copy over an install.

You need to, when installing NT4, apply SP6 before booting into Windows 2K or later.

You may have problems with LFN because of the different schema, but NT4 runs quite well with short file names, and if you leave management of partitions to the resident OS, you have no problems.

The dream you dream alone is only a dream,
The dream we dream together is reality.


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Response Number 5
Name: Trent M
Date: June 24, 2008 at 06:08:56 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks!

I have a copy of NT 4, but no CD key to install it... :(

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002

AMD Sempron 2500+ @ 1.74 Ghz

512 MB RAM


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Response Number 6
Name: Trent M
Date: June 24, 2008 at 17:43:16 Pacific
Reply:

I just answered the MS-DOS 7.10 question myself. Yes, it will run on 7.10 (Windows 98 DOS) On the boot menu, it says Microsoft Windows instead of MS-DOS.

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002

AMD Sempron 2500+ @ 1.74 Ghz

512 MB RAM


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Response Number 7
Name: trvlr
Date: June 26, 2008 at 07:00:33 Pacific
Reply:

Check your private messages; I sent the info that way as I'm not quite sure if we are OK posting that "fix" here. It was once legal and used in all NT training skools etc... which is were I lerned it...; also on the www in plain sight


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Response Number 8
Name: Trent M
Date: June 26, 2008 at 09:40:36 Pacific
Reply:

It didn't work...

Thanks anyway.

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002

AMD Sempron 2500+ @ 1.74 Ghz

512 MB RAM


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Response Number 9
Name: trvlr
Date: June 27, 2008 at 06:56:46 Pacific
Reply:

Strange... that single digit approach works for any NT CD I have, and have had in the past; likewise for may others who have been installing NT in a flexible (frequently changing/re-installed) environment.

How are you going about installing NT4 - to which drive etc...

At what point are you being asked for the CD key?

Is this a standard NT4 CD - not one with a possible OEM style key (can't remember if OEM's CDs existed then or not...)?


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Response Number 10
Name: Trent M
Date: June 27, 2008 at 13:12:42 Pacific
Reply:

It's a Virtual PC CD image (.ISO).

It finishes the DOS portion of the setup. When Windows comes to the screen to do the rest of the setup, it asks my Name and company, I fill that in, it asks me what type of installation (typical, custom, etc.) I want, I just choose typical, it says it is preparing the directory, and when it's finished that, then it asks for the product key.

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002

AMD Sempron 2500+ @ 1.74 Ghz

512 MB RAM


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Response Number 11
Name: trvlr
Date: June 27, 2008 at 22:21:18 Pacific
Reply:

"....It's a Virtual PC CD image (.ISO)...."

I'm not really sure what (type of CD) you have in this case... From my own "limited" experience an OS CD is either an acutal (original) version or a true copy - this latter usually made via any standard duplication programme/util (Nero etc...).

A brief trawl (google etc.) leads me to think you cannot use the CD you have to actually install NT. You need either a an actual NT4 CD or a bona-fide/true copy (CD to CD) of one?

They're cheap enuff these days; often at clearance houses and computer fairs?

Incidentally whereabouts in the universe are you?


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Response Number 12
Name: Trent M
Date: June 28, 2008 at 07:06:24 Pacific
Reply:

Reviews at vetusware.com (where I got it) say that it works and installs perfect.

How did the other people who downloaded it install it without a cd key?

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002

AMD Sempron 2500+ @ 1.74 Ghz

512 MB RAM


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Response Number 13
Name: Trent M
Date: June 28, 2008 at 08:26:13 Pacific
Reply:

What happened? I posted a follow-up here and now it's gone!

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002

AMD Sempron 2500+ @ 1.74 Ghz

512 MB RAM


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Response Number 14
Name: Trent M
Date: June 28, 2008 at 08:30:25 Pacific
Reply:

Anyway, a review at vetusware.com was a cd key. I have nt 4.0 installed now.

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002

AMD Sempron 2500+ @ 1.74 Ghz

512 MB RAM


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Response Number 15
Name: trvlr
Date: June 28, 2008 at 09:59:26 Pacific
Reply:

Good for you... perhaps you can point me to their site; so I can see what/how etc. they were doing with a Virtual PC image/.iso?

As far as I know (and that ain't much...) one must have a Key to complete the installation - unless one has a corporate (installation) version...? In which case things is a little different; but one still requires a proper license/key for each completed installation at the end so as to be "legal"... All the installations could be using the same key - locally (on the actual PC) but have a valid license (in-house) nonetheless? Corporates use bulk licensing deals... (one runs each installation via a single CD, or an image on a server)...

But it's been a while since I dun all that stuff...


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Response Number 16
Name: Trent M
Date: June 28, 2008 at 15:44:23 Pacific
Reply:

www.vetusware.com

When you get there, you'll find a bunch of dark blue boxes, the top left one is titled "OS". Click "OS", and it'll bring you to a list of OS's in alphabetical order.

Everything there is contributed by people (God bless them!). I have found some great software, Microsoft office 4.0, Norton Desktop for Windows-you can find everything there, and it's all free.

There's a catch-unless you're a member, you can only download 3 things. But someone posted in a review that deleteing your browser cookies lets you download 3 more times. It worked for me. I've downloaded about 50 things from there.

Sometimes, to make it easier for someone using Virtual PC, they make it into a CD image.

Everything there is abandonware-nothing there is illegal to download.

Sometimes there are bum downloads, an error or corruption stops the download, or there's a problem with the program and it won't install. (Microsoft Word For Windows 6.0 in the Office catagory has this problem.

Oh yeah, and VetusWare has very slow servers, I get about 10 KB/S.

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002

AMD Sempron 2500+ @ 1.74 Ghz

512 MB RAM


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Response Number 17
Name: Intel 80486 (by meisinscotland)
Date: July 9, 2008 at 22:20:01 Pacific
Reply:

Trent, send me a private message please :)

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