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Name: Mari
Date: January 30, 2001 at 04:32:58 Pacific
Comment:

I'm in the market for a new Dell PC (either the 4100 or 8100 series). According to their website--it looks like their PCs are only being built with Windows ME-and it doesn't look like you have the option of ordering Windows 98. I have Windows 98 on my current Dell and have NO problems. I would prefer running both the old PC and the new PC with the same operating system, as I'm no computer expert--and I've been using Windows 98 since its inception. I don't want to set myself up for lots of incompatibility issues with the old and new PCs. The two PCs won't be networked right away, but it's an option in the future.

Can anyone tell me if #1--will Dell sell me a new PC with Windows 98 rather than Windows ME, and #2--assuming the answer to #1 is NO--what compatibility issues might I expect between the two PCs (I share floppies, Zips, and CDRWs between the two--as well as a laser printer on the old PC and will have an HP T45 all-in-one color on the new PC).

THANKS so much for any/all input! I have nowhere to turn for these answers, and I don't want to spend $2500+ on a new PC if I'm going to end up with migraines!!!



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Response Number 1
Name: me
Date: January 30, 2001 at 04:48:45 Pacific
Reply:

Have you called Dell?


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Response Number 2
Name: Erwin
Date: January 30, 2001 at 04:52:24 Pacific
Reply:

In my opinion i think you can go for ME because it is just running ok. I see it as the major update from 98 but like i said it is my opinion. Probably there are people arround that think different and i can understand it. But why make this a big thing? In 10 months whistler is coming on and is bringing all together in one, including Win2000. Succes with your decision, i have no idea about Dell's sales options.


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Response Number 3
Name: Mari
Date: January 30, 2001 at 05:06:32 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks me & Erwin for your comments. To me--yes, I've called Dell and have been told they won't sell Windows 98 anymore--however, some friends said they bought one with Windows 98 (and they do, indeed, have it--direct from Dell)--they didn't specify the operating system and got Win98 (recently). As for Erwin's reply--in your opinion(since I'm sure you know WAY more than I), am I wasting my money buying an expensive PC with Windows ME or would I be better off waiting for Whistler? I've never heard of whistler (not surprising) but if that O/S is anything like all the others before it, it will have lots of flaws in the beginning and I don't think I can wait a year for another PC. I have to do something to prolong my son's life--cuz if he continues to commandeer my existing Dell--he may not live till he's 14! Buying myself a new PC and giving him the old one (which is perfectly good) is the best option I can come up with. THANKS for all your help.


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Response Number 4
Name: Miroslav Vadovic
Date: January 30, 2001 at 06:08:48 Pacific
Reply:

Mari, i have older 266 mhz computer with windows 98 and a brand new notebook computer with windows ME.
ME runs fine .... EXCEPT having problems connecting to AOL, it is a known problem by microsoft and the computer manufacturer will notify you about it ( after you bouth the computer and paid for it )
and also Windows Media Player is skipping and stalling and not able to play even music from CD....
I have a friend that bought DELL a week ago and have the same problems with internet connection.... also many people on this board have issues with WMP7... some oppinions are that to run it much more RAM is needed... but nobody has an exact number.... other poster on this board have still problems with WMP7 even with 128 meg RAM.
my last and minor problem was that i could not install my Answering maching/Fax software
but it is least of my headaches.
Otherwise my windows ME computer runs about the same good as windows 98.
Look through the previous posts... you might expect some other problems that cant be predicted.... i just descriebed mine, and cant exclude you wouldnt have others.
Regards Miro


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Response Number 5
Name: $$%%%@*(
Date: January 30, 2001 at 06:52:15 Pacific
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IF you spend more than $1500 on a computer with the declining PC market, in my opinion you would be wasting your money. At the moment MS is transitional since they plan on doing everything on the WEB shortly. Unless something else happens the release of .NET will occor in late April or early May this year not in ten months. I would sugest that you use www.pricewatch.com and select a comprable machine to the Dell that is not customized to the point that the major OEMs are. I would also sugest that you get Windowz 2000 Pro on whatever computer you get. If you are not happy with it format the drive and install the copy of Win98 that you allready own. You will not be violating any MS use law since you would own a copy of Win2K. MSes next OS will be more like Win2K than 95/98/ME and if you choose to upgrade to .NET (you most likely will not have a choice)you will find the transition less disruptive. Of course the opinion that I expressed is mine, so the last thing I would say is for you to be cautious in whatever choice that you make..........good luck!


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Response Number 6
Name: EJ
Date: January 30, 2001 at 08:18:43 Pacific
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Like Mari I to was going to order a Dell 4100 series. I have one picked out but since reading the reviews of "Windwos ME" for two hours this morning I am changing my mind rapidly. It seems no one has anything real good to say about it. Most describe it as a nightmare. I may call Dell to see if they will sell with Win 98 but I doubt it very much.


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Response Number 7
Name: Mike
Date: January 30, 2001 at 09:59:10 Pacific
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If your doubt is about compatibility for sharing, files trhough zip, CDRWs, folppys, etc. you won't have problems. I do that.
Maybe you have to be sure about the stability of Me on the new PC. As I know, manufacturers built their PCs with WinMe because is the best option now. Problems with Me are with upgrades on old PCs, because you need to get drivers for Me, and probably they doesn´t exist.
Mi Dell works fine with Me, and I can share files with my Compaq Win98.
You will have te be sure if your HP Printer has the driver for WinMe.


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Response Number 8
Name: $$%%%@*(
Date: January 30, 2001 at 10:17:11 Pacific
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Thats the point! Knowone should have to be anything! You need to administer these machines. People simply want to use them.
Taking all sorts of time to,"FIGURE THINGS OUT" is not popular for the avrage user!


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Response Number 9
Name: Erwin
Date: January 30, 2001 at 14:30:24 Pacific
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Just another comment just reading the others. I run ME on two systems PI 166 and on PIII 450 both without problems. At the moment some little details in my network but it is nothing big. Don't forget when you scroll to all these pages that wordlwide people react. You know how many people have ME? Me also not, if your neighbour had troubles with his car, is that a reason to order another one because yours is from the same brand? Nope, so just go ahead with Win ME and don't worry, besides that i guess Dell offers support also. Just an idea, is it not wiser (and a lot cheaper) to go to a store and let one build exactly the way you want it?


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Response Number 10
Name: Miroslav Vadovic
Date: January 30, 2001 at 16:59:23 Pacific
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Mike, having windows ME factory installed on a new computer does not guarantee its functionality... compaq is sendig flyers with their new computers equipped with windows ME that you will have problems connecting to AOL... you will get the flyer AFTER the computer is paid for and delivered...it is like buing a new car and after the car dealer gives you the keys he will say to you... "by the way... you might have problems starting the car"... we would not tolerate such behaviour to any other industry....
Ervin...becaues many people dont complain , does not mean that they dont have problems...
they just go on a guilt trip about their hardware and drivers... and are are searching for service packs... new video cards... new modems... more memory....they are affraid to addmit that they dont understand the "rocket sience" of the operating system... and when it is "rocket science" it MUST be good... and the fault can be only in us...
Regards Miro


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Response Number 11
Name: MINE
Date: January 30, 2001 at 19:43:26 Pacific
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I SUGGEST YOU USE WIN 98 IF YOU ARE USING AOL AS YOUR ISP OR WAIT! BECAUSE I HAVE HAD TO CALL AOL A THOUSAND TIMES AND IT WORKS SOMETIMES AND SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T SO YOU MAKE THE CHOICE!


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Response Number 12
Name: Mari
Date: January 31, 2001 at 06:55:30 Pacific
Reply:

EJ--I did call Dell and they no longer have WIN 98 available. However, you can order a PC with Win2000Professional, which adds a few $$$, but it's (supposedly) a better alternative to ME.

To $$%%%@*(--you totally understand what I'm talking about. I am probably an average to less-than-average word processor who just wants to sit at the PC and have it work the way I need it to. I don't want to be bothered with hangs and crashes, etc. I think Microsoft is a horrible product (and always have)for the non-technical operator. I feel like they know exactly what they're doing when they release inferior products to the marketplace that force the general public to buy the "fixes" or replace their PCs with the hopes their PCs will once again work (at least for a week or two). My main reason for buying a Dell is simply because it's a more reliable PC and their tech support is outstanding. Most of my dilemmas are software related or peripheral related that Dell doesn't really even support. BUT, since they know most people are not "techy" people, they bend over backwards to help. I have used IBM and Compaq--both had AWFUL tech support and both computers CRASHED constantly. Not to mention they have proprietary parts, so replacing bad hardware cost me way more than my current Dell has. To date--my current Dell is 3 years old and has NEVER crashed! I think that's a record!haha So, to Erwin--that's why I won't buy a system from a store--they won't customize it any better than I will get from Dell and the price difference is minimal. I don't mind paying a little more $$ if the system will be better in the long run. My big question was with the known problems of WIN ME--and now I know I can get Win2000Pro, which seems to have fewer complaints. Bottom line--if we're talking Microsoft operating sytems--there really is no winner. I have heard Linux is a much better O/S--but for people like me with limited knowledge--I'd be lost learning another system, not to mention, many fewer people to tap for info. Microsoft is counting on the mentality of people like me--so I guess I'm just feeding into them!

Thanks all who have replied thus far--it's been very enlightening and helpful. I'm VERY open to all opinions and suggestions, and I'm not trying to pit one operating system against another (or PC for that matter). I'm simply trying to educate myself to the problems I'm likely to face when I purchase a new PC with a different operating system than my current PC. As long as it's a Microsoft operating system (any MS operating system), I'm sure there will never be a lack of opinions or problems. THANKS AGAIN everyone.


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Response Number 13
Name: ahiah
Date: January 31, 2001 at 09:48:40 Pacific
Reply:

you might consider having a local shop build you a custom system. any reliable mom and pop shop can build a better pc for less than dell, gateway, compac, hp, etc.

i build pc's for myself, friends, and family. buying pieces-parts from local shops
gives me the advantage of having my vendors within "choking distance" so to speak :-)

as a rule of thumb "the more something is advertized on tv, the bigger ripoff it is"


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Response Number 14
Name: Shambles
Date: January 31, 2001 at 18:41:46 Pacific
Reply:

Hi Mari,

Firstly, I would recommend staying away from the Dell 8100. The Pentium 4 chip in there will cost you a lot more, and not offer you any better performance than much cheaper chips on the market. Dell uses slow (PC600)RDRAM with some of their 8100 systems, which hurts performance even more. For more information on the Pentium 4/Dell 8100 see:

http://www.emulators.com/pentium4.htm

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q1/010130/index.html

As for the Windows ME vs 98 issue - I have tried clean installs of both on my Dell and have found 98 to be faster, less bloated and more stable than ME. Windows 2000, for most purposes, is a far superior OS to both of them; but it depends on what you want to do. For games, Win2000 isn't as fast or as supported as the other two, and there is other non-gaming software that won't run on it.

Windows ME, when it comes down to it, is pretty similar to 98, and not really much worse when installed on a new PC. As an upgrade to 98, it is not very good though.

Good luck with your new pc,

From Simon


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Response Number 15
Name: LSD¿¿¿???
Date: February 1, 2001 at 00:27:22 Pacific
Reply:

hello peppl i have somthing to add to this toppic i've got the basic win ME the $80.00
well on the shelf right besid it thers a $140.00 upgrade dose any one have it and is it as messed as the normal (chepper) one ive been running 98 O/S for ever never had a prob then i went to 2000 professionals all it done was caues errors so i went to ME it's not as bad lost of driver porblems but to me win 98 will always work better and 3.1 will be the eaysest to use i miss file manneger LOL ¿¿¿???


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