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Rocksolid or Overkill

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Name: theprop
Date: February 25, 2004 at 10:08:12 Pacific
OS: Win ME
CPU/Ram: 1gig/415
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I have free AVG,Spyware Blaster,Spyware Guard,Spybot,Ad-Aware,Nortons AV, ZoneAlarm and I feel rock solid against the net but I see posts around at different forums stating too much protection isnt enough. I've been contemplating on purchasing SpySweeper.
Would it be a good idea to purchase SpySweeper from WebRoot or would that be overkill? Would I be better off getting anti Trojan software or do these products I have suppy sufficient protection?



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Response Number 1
Name: efabes
Date: February 25, 2004 at 10:19:27 Pacific
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I have not seen many 3rd-party reviews of spysweeper. It might be updated more frequently than spybot / adaware (I thought about testing it on a machine with known problems, but have not gotten to it yet).

Spysweeper is always running. It works like an AV program - preventing the install of known spyware. I do not know how it would affect your system resources or if it will play nice with your other programs.

I would not worry too much about trojans if you do not visit bad sites, do not open unknown emails, do not click attachments, etc. An occasional anti-trojan scan might provide peace of mind.


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Response Number 2
Name: Leroi
Date: February 25, 2004 at 10:26:00 Pacific
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There is no way to be 100% secure on the internet.

Do not run both AVG's and Norton A/V's real time protection at the same time, this will cause conflicts/interference and may lead to missed detections.

You probably could use a registry protection program such as RegistryProt (diamond.cs) and a good anti-trojan would not be a bad idea either. I use BOClean.

Here is a link to A Squared anti-trojan, the free version lacks memory resident protection, but seems to scan thoroughly:

http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/free/

Using a browser other than IE is also a good idea; Mozilla is my favorite.

I find no need for Spywareblasterguard type programs since I use Mozilla for everything except Windows Update.

I have Spybot S&D installed and updated but it has never found any spyware on my system because I use Mozilla and only accept cookies from the originating website.


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Response Number 3
Name: theprop
Date: February 25, 2004 at 15:37:56 Pacific
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Thanks for the different software suggestions Leroi, I've been wanting to tryout Mozilla and I'll probably try it out tonight when I get home.


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Response Number 4
Name: vipergg
Date: February 25, 2004 at 17:01:26 Pacific
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Personally I think you have overkill but everyone has there own opinion . AV ,firewall and at most a couple of spyware programs like adaware and spybot is more than enough , never had any kind of problem just using these .


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Response Number 5
Name: Leroi
Date: February 25, 2004 at 21:02:29 Pacific
Reply:

The sophistication of malware writers is ever increasing, with things like dll injection and other new malicious technologies there is no way to be 100% secure 100% of the time.

One of the best scenarios for security is to have a Linux pc between your pc and the internet (an older pc will do), probably next in line would be a hardware firewall or router combined with a layered defense as I partially outlined above (sofware firewall, registry protection, updated antivirus etc.).

On dial up, what I have described earlier is seemingly plenty, although Norton has detected two trojans as they were cached on my system, one in the jpi_cache (Java) and one in Mozilla's cache (these are the only viruses/trojans ever found on my system over a three year period).

BOClean did not react because it detects trojans differently (not a file scanner type program), it detects trojans when they attempt to unpack or execute themselves, BOClean is memory resident.

If Norton had missed them BOClean would have reacted I feel sure (BOClean has a sterling reputation).

One of the trojans could not exploit Mozilla anyway, it exploited a flaw in the Microsoft Virtual Machine, which Mozilla does not use. IOW, it would have had no effect on Mozilla or my system anyway.

The other may have been a false positive, I think it was. Norton did quarantine and I deleted the file. Something also corrupted my Mozilla profile, but it is easy to create a new Mozilla profile and it fixed the problem.

Here is a link to a free trojan scanner (be sure to get the free version):

http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/free/

Create an account so they can send you the activation code by email (I haven't received any spam from the company) before installing, you will need the code late in the installation/update process.

A layered defense does not mean to have two or three programs all attempting to do the same thing (like AVG and NAV running at the same time), it means to have as many bases covered as possible while not wasting precious resources.

Mozilla, NAV 2001 (fully subscribed and updated), BOClean, Kerio 2.1.5 (not the new 4.x series) and RegistryProt are all very resource/memory efficient on my system, but I do limit Mozilla's memory cache to 4MB through a user.js file tweak (which is not difficult at all).


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Response Number 6
Name: Leroi
Date: February 25, 2004 at 21:41:33 Pacific
Reply:

I should have said "four year period" rather than "three year period" above.


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