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Name: dmobrien
Date: March 8, 2004 at 09:34:58 Pacific
OS: ME
CPU/Ram: Pentium III, 128 RAM
Comment:

Dell Dimension L800r
800MHz
128RAM


I was running Ad-Aware on my parents computer to help fight the N-Case/1800 Solutions "msbb" spyware. Ad-Aware was able to catch a number of problem, but then it said that it could not remove certain dll's without scanning on a reboot. So I reboot, and Ad-Aware does it's thing, finding more spyware this time around. Windows then boots up, but not to the regular desktop...it looks like the default desktop. Then a window comes up telling me that there is a problem with the registry, which will be fixed upon reboot. So I reboot the computer, and I get the ever so popular:

Invalid System Disk
Replace the disk, and then press any key

So I make some phone calls to Dell and Disksavers. I run a bunch of tests which apparently tell me that my HD is fine, but my operating system is corrupted. So I go to bootdisk.com and download the ME file to a 3 1/2 floppy on my XP laptop. I then set up the boot order as follows:

Floppy
ARMD-FDD
ATAPI CDROM
IDE-HDD

But, no love. The screen tells me:
Non-System disk or disk error
Replace and strike any key when ready

I even try switching the Floppy and the ARMD-FDD in the boot sequence. Again, no love. I just can't seem to get to the prompt where I can run scanreg/restore. Can somebody help me out with this?



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Response Number 1
Name: wawadave
Date: March 8, 2004 at 11:37:23 Pacific
Reply:

hello
boot to bios set floppy as first boot device.
see if you can make the m.e boot disk on m.e or 98 machine. xp seems to sometimes screw up floppys.

••• Resistance is invigorating! •••kill spyware


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Response Number 2
Name: TopFarmer
Date: March 8, 2004 at 11:49:22 Pacific
Reply:

Hi all
" So I go to bootdisk.com and download the ME file to a 3 1/2 floppy" If that is what you did , you did it wrong. the file you downloaded is a program to make floppy boot disks, you must download it to the hdd and then run it , with a blank floppy in drive.


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Response Number 3
Name: dmobrien
Date: March 8, 2004 at 12:27:19 Pacific
Reply:

Little update:

So I found an ME bootdisk in a pile of stuff under the desk. I set Floppy as the first boot, and it gives me a menu with:

1. Help
2. Start Computer with CD-ROM upport
3. Start Computer without CD-ROM support
4. Minimal Boot

I first check out the help readme. Then I do a full scan disk to see if I have any problems. It finds nothing. So I try to restore the system (typing in scanreg/restore). It tells me that the system has been restored to an early time with no errors. But when I try to restart the computer....I still get the "Invalid System Disk message." So I try to restore it again from a different date. Same deal. The thing is that now the three earliest restore points are gone (I tried to restore 3 different times) and are replaced by three new restore points (the last two were old ones):

03/08/04 Not Started 03:17:16pm rb001.cab
03/08/04 Not Started 01:22:50pm rb005.cab
03/08/04 Not Started 01:17:49pm rb000.cab
03/06/04 Started rb004.cab
03/05/04 Started rb003.cab

So basically, I've figured that it's not a problem with my HD, it's a problem with the Windows ME. But I am still not able to restore. Any answers?



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Response Number 4
Name: michael2
Date: March 8, 2004 at 14:13:53 Pacific
Reply:

The problem with n-case & msbb.exe is it will not delete if it's running. If you start the PC in safe mode and run Spybot (Ad-Aware also probably), it will delete.
(msbb.exe is inside the n-case folder).

N-case can (and does) download more rubbish onto the PC.

It may also report an error message relating to wininet.dll on systems that don't have a Winint library (not sure what this is about)?

If you can use 'System Restore' from DOS, you may be able to have another go at removing this rubbish.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=279736 restore windows from DOS
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=221512 restore registry from DOS

Here is a link I used a few months ago.....
http://www.doxdesk.com/parasite/ncase.html


Lastly, for my bit...
"Invalid System Disk Replace the disk, and then press any key"
I would expect to see this message if either you have left the floppy in the drive or BIOS could no-longer detect the hard drive.
Can you go into BIOS and set it to automatically detect the hard drive settings (number of cylinders, heads etc). I don't know if this COULD change, but I have swapped hard drives over from one PC to another and get this message (till I go into BIOS etc).

Best of luck

I will be watching this post.


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Response Number 5
Name: dmobrien
Date: March 8, 2004 at 16:00:44 Pacific
Reply:

People have told me that since my HD seems to be fine, I could take out the HD and put it into any computer running ME, save the files I need onto a floppy, and replace everything....eventually re-installing ME on my computer. Does this actually work, or are people BS'ing me.

Also, is there a way to save files from the HD to a floppy disk with the ms-dos prompts?


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Response Number 6
Name: michael2
Date: March 8, 2004 at 16:15:09 Pacific
Reply:

Floppies only hold around 1mb of data.
The average music file would be around 3mb.
You would not ba able to save much.

I have 'slaved' a non-working HD to my own PC.
On booting up, BIOS asked me to confirm there was another drive fitted, then Windows loaded up and the new (faulty) HD showed up in 'My Computer' as drive D:\ and the CD drive became drive letter E:\.
I opened drive D:\ then copied & pasted the wanted files to my own drive c:\ then burned them to a CD-R.

I don't think you will have to do this.
Have you tried.....
Response Number 4-
go into BIOS and set it to automatically detect the hard drive settings (number of cylinders, heads etc).

If you put this 'failed' HD into another PC, you will still have to do the above...
go into BIOS and set it to automatically detect the hard drive settings........
Unless it IS FAULTY, but then you would have to slave it and use the working drive to power up the PC.

It's my bedtime now but I will be back on line tomorrow evening to see how you get on.



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Response Number 7
Name: TopFarmer
Date: March 8, 2004 at 19:03:31 Pacific
Reply:

for a "Invalid System Disk message" normally there are 4 possible problems.
1) bad hdd --your test says it good
2) not detected by bios-- check bios setup
3) MBR or Partition table is corrupted-- boot with floppy and do a 'Dir c:/ad/w' with out the '', do you get a error ? Do you see the normal windows folders?
also can run fdisk, yes to large disk support- select option #4 what is displayed ?
4) the boot files are corrupted--



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Response Number 8
Name: CrazyOne
Date: March 9, 2004 at 01:05:06 Pacific
Reply:

dmobrien,

or,
5.) Wrong boot sequence.

"I then set up the boot order as follows:

Floppy
ARMD-FDD
ATAPI CDROM
IDE-HDD
"

My two cents worth, or 1 ;-). Try making/setting the ""IDE-HDD", as the first.

Who knows, might work.

CrazyOne


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Response Number 9
Name: dmobrien
Date: March 9, 2004 at 06:53:12 Pacific
Reply:

Tried setting IDE-HDD as first in boot order, that didn't work.

Checked for a functioning HD, apparently it works.

Booted with Floppy, "Dir c:/ad/w,: I get a listing of the windows folders and no error message.

Ran fdisk, said yes to large support. Then chose option number four. Here is the result:

Current fixed disk drive: 1

Partion Status Type Volume Label Mbytes
C:1 A PRI DOS (Blank) 9531

System Usage
FAT32 100%

Total disk space is 9531 Mbytes (1 Mbyte = 1048576)

Seems odd to me that there is 100% usage.

Oh, and how do you go about setting it to automatically detect Hard Drive settings? I'm in the Bios menu right now and cannot find it.


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Response Number 10
Name: michael2
Date: March 9, 2004 at 13:39:12 Pacific
Reply:

'go into BIOS and set it to automatically detect the hard drive '

This is from the Dell site....

Dell Dimension 4500, 4400, 4200, 4100, 2300, 2100, XPS B, XPS T, XPS R, and L Series Systems

To reset the original factory system setup settings for the Dell Dimension Series systems listed above, perform the following steps:

Restart your computer.

At the first text on the screen, or the Dell logo, press the <Delete> key every three seconds until the message Entering Setup appears.

NOTE: Some of these systems may require you to press the <F2> key to enter setup instead of the <Delete> key. Try pressing the <F2> key if the <Delete> key does not enter setup.

$$$$$$$$$

When the System Setup screen appears, press the <F9> key.

Press the <Enter> key to confirm that you would like to load the defaults.

Press the <F10> key and then press the <Enter> key to save your changes and exit.
The system will reboot.

Proceed with the installation or troubleshooting that you were attempting.

The following is me again...
When you get to the part I have marked-
$$$$$$$$$
You should be able to find the option to set bios to automatically detect the hard drive.
I think you use the keyboard arrows, enter & page up, page down to toggle the settings.

Without changing anything, it should report the hard drive as having...
x number of heads,
x number of cylinders
etc (x = a number).
If it says, no HD found or user set-up, you will have to change it to AUTO.

I have done this loads of times but without a PC in front of me, I can't remember exactly what steps I take.

Normally to save the settings you have to press a specific 'F' key. To exit without saving the settings you have to press a different 'F' key. Messages around the screen tell you which you have to press.

Lastly (for now)...
System Usage
FAT32 100%
This may refer to the amount of HD space to be used for the partition. If you have only one partition, 100% is normal. If you had two partitions, 60% & 40% (or what ever) would be used.

Your problem will be a case of elimination.

Did you manually delete any files?
winini or what ever......


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Response Number 11
Name: michael2
Date: March 9, 2004 at 13:43:26 Pacific
Reply:

This is the Dell link......

http://support.ap.dell.com/ap/en/kb/document.asp?DN=FA1035262#8100


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Response Number 12
Name: TopFarmer
Date: March 9, 2004 at 14:40:45 Pacific
Reply:

Hi all
your hdd is about 10gbyte?
If i am not mistakeing, when fdisk has seen the hdd correctly along with a Dir reading the hdd it would point to the bios is also seeing it correct.

I do not use win me so can not say for sure but on win98 would do a sys c: to replace the boot files which I suspect as missing or corrupt ?


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Response Number 13
Name: Dog
Date: March 9, 2004 at 20:42:37 Pacific
Reply:

Boot from ME bootdisk. Choose either with or without cd-rom support, it wont matter. Then type fdisk /mbr. This will reinstall the master boot record.

HTH
D4


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