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Name: rhodeye
Date: April 27, 2009 at 17:31:51 Pacific
OS: Windows Me
CPU/Ram: 633 Mhz/191Mb
Product: Hewlett-packard / PAVILION
Subcategory: General
Comment:

The last two days I can only use my computer for maybe 10 minutes before it freezes up. I used the search on this sight and tried to find some solutions,Anyone know the best thread no, to try. I wasn't having any trouble with it till about a week or so ago when it would freeze after about a half hour. What could have happened? I have 633 Mhz processor and 191 Mb memory. I don't think I downloaded anything bad. I have firefox, IE6, and now opera but I rarely have more than 1 on at a time. We've been having a heat spell here for 3 days (upper 80's) I should be able to use my com[uter in those tem[s. right? It's been working longer in the night hours.and the fans inside the com[uter are running . Thank you. Also ,I'm afraid to try the recovery disc and end up with the same problem.



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Response Number 1
Name: jam
Date: April 27, 2009 at 18:14:37 Pacific
Reply:

Sounds like it may be an overheating issue. Do you have a hardware monitoring program to check the CPU temp? If not, try SpeedFan. I'm not sure if it work with HP's though....

http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php

When in doubt, open the case & blow the dust out of it.


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Response Number 2
Name: lycan20
Date: April 27, 2009 at 20:24:55 Pacific
Reply:

When was the last time have you cleaned your tower?

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Response Number 3
Name: rhodeye
Date: April 28, 2009 at 07:17:48 Pacific
Reply:

I run a free registry cleaner (Eusing), ccleaner, spybot,defrag, and scan disc often. Between 5:00 and 7:00 A.M. this morning it didn't freez up then I turned it off to go to rest. Now at 10:10 A.M. I have been able to send this message without it freezing yet. While it was on earlier I ran the standard scan disc and free AVG anti-virus (which found no virus). I'll see how it works later when the temperature gets hotter. I think they want it hot today. Thank you


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Response Number 4
Name: jam
Date: April 28, 2009 at 13:42:18 Pacific
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You didn't answer our questions. Do you have software installed to monitor the CPU temperature? And when is the last time you opened the case & blew the dust out of it?


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Response Number 5
Name: rhodeye
Date: April 28, 2009 at 15:33:15 Pacific
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I just looked in the case and saw the mother board has a thin layer of somewhat sticky dust on it. How can I get that dust off? The CPU fan doesn't appear very dusty but the sides are hot to the touch. I have an intel celeron processor and a Trigram Computer, Inc. Cognac mother board. When I tried to download a monitor it said it could continue no further because the download is only for an intel. Where can I download a monitor for my computer? HP Pavilion running ME.


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Response Number 6
Name: lycan20
Date: April 28, 2009 at 19:23:46 Pacific
Reply:

Well you need a general cleaning in your computer. Buy some air cans to blow away those dust in your computer. Dust may also causes some over heat on the mother board so it's better to clean it up. Also try answering JAM's questions he might also help you out.

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Response Number 7
Name: vipergg
Date: April 29, 2009 at 14:22:39 Pacific
Reply:

If you open up the computer , get a grounding strap and reseat the ram chips inside too while you are cleaning it .


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Response Number 8
Name: rhodeye
Date: April 29, 2009 at 19:55:44 Pacific
Reply:

What is a grounding strap and where do I get one. Also I just found out about silver oxide thermal compound. Says it good for maximum heat transfer for overclocked CPU's and GPU's. My friend said that when he took out my CPU and its heat sink to see if a better one would fit ( about 2 months ago) he thinks the coating on the CPU might have been weakened and putting more on might transfer more heat to the heat sink. What do you think?


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Response Number 9
Name: jam
Date: April 29, 2009 at 20:17:25 Pacific
Reply:

"What do you think?"

I think you should stop listening to your friend & stop letting him work on your PC.

Whenever the heatsink is removed from the CPU, both the top of the CPU & bottom of the heatsink must be thoroughly cleaned of all traces of the old thermal transfer compound (aka "paste" or "grease"), then new paste must be applied. NEVER reuse old thermal paste. And when you apply it, all that's needed is a tiny dab about the size of a grain of rice.

Although silver based paste is commonly used by enthusiasts, it's not recommended. In fact, AMD states that the use of silver based paste will void the CPU warranty. The reason given is that silver in the paste conducts electricity & could possibly short out the CPU.

http://www.xtremetek.com/info/index...

Silicone based paste works just as well as silver based paste, it's non-conductive, plus it's cheaper. Radio Shack brand sells for $3 a tube.

http://www.radioshack.com/product/i...

The instructions for applying Arctic Silver compound are excellent...apply silicone based paste exactly the same way. Find your CPU on the list & read the instructions:

http://www.arcticsilver.com/ins_rou...


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Response Number 10
Name: rhodeye
Date: April 29, 2009 at 20:26:24 Pacific
Reply:

Thank you. Do you think that is why the freezing occurs on the hot days but is much better at night when it is cooler?


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Response Number 11
Name: jam
Date: April 29, 2009 at 21:01:03 Pacific
Reply:

I have no idea how dirty the inside of your case is, how many case cooling fans you have, where you have your tower positioned in your room, what the average room temp is, etc. All I can tell you is what I do.

I clean the inside of my tower several times a year...that means blasting the inside (especially the heatsinks) with compressed air & occasionally using a soft brush when necessary. NEVER use a vacuum! I have my tower out in the open, not in an enclosure, & it's on a stand approx one foot above the floor, not sitting on the floor/carpet where it can easily suck in dirt/dust. In fact, the stand I use is actually a closet shoe rack similar to this one (except mine is black):

http://images.netshops.com/mgen/mas...

They sell for about $10. I use the shelf to store printer paper.

It regularly gets up to 85F (30C) in my house during the summer months & I've never had a heat related problem. You should also have some sort of software that you can use to monitor your CPU temp. For instance, with a couple of mouse clicks I can tell you that my current CPU temp is 29C (approx 84F).


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Response Number 12
Name: rhodeye
Date: April 29, 2009 at 21:13:54 Pacific
Reply:

I downloaded speedfan 4.38 but when I try to run it I have to use ctrl/ alt/delete because it does not respond.I tried un then re installing it with the same result. Maybe I need an older version? The computer hasn't frozen yet and I have been using it for an hour. Its not hot now outside.


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Response Number 13
Name: lycan20
Date: April 29, 2009 at 21:22:46 Pacific
Reply:

Just start the clean and everything on your computer will be operating back to it's top condition.

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Response Number 14
Name: T-R-A
Date: April 29, 2009 at 23:56:52 Pacific
Reply:

I'd agree with jam on not letting your friend work on your machine. The key with any thermal compound is to use just enough to do the job. Too much will render it in to a heat-insulating substance instead of a heat-conducting one.

And one more thing. Never, put a machine (tower/desktop) on the floor. You've just made it into an expensive vacuum cleaner if you do so.


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Response Number 15
Name: jam
Date: April 30, 2009 at 07:38:09 Pacific
Reply:

It appears your board uses an IT8702F sensor which is supported by SpeedFan.

http://www.motherboards.org/files/m...

http://www.almico.com/forumsensors.php


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Response Number 16
Name: jam
Date: April 30, 2009 at 07:42:42 Pacific
Reply:

Here's something I just ran across...old hardware but the price is right & it's better than what you have:

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?in...


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Response Number 17
Name: lycan20
Date: April 30, 2009 at 23:42:23 Pacific
Reply:

Well just tell us now if there is any improvement on the computer.

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Response Number 18
Name: lucky1
Date: May 3, 2009 at 09:10:19 Pacific
Reply:

Perhaps this is a little late, but go to:

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download....

Download AIDA32, has a sensor to check the case and CPU temperature,
and it's free. . .


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Response Number 19
Name: rhodeye
Date: May 5, 2009 at 18:14:15 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for your help guys. Since those 3 hot days in the upper 80's I haven't had any trouble. I didn't get that paste yet but I think that might be what the problem is. I wasn't able to download any speedfan software yet. I gave up trying since its been working again ever since those hot days left. If I have this problem again I'll get back to yooze guys. Probly won't know until it gets hot again.


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Response Number 20
Name: lycan20
Date: May 6, 2009 at 01:09:36 Pacific
Reply:

Well you can star saving up for new Casing that has water cooling system. So that you won't have to worry on the heating tower. Also try signing up at site below. If you do they can give you reviews in latest computer gadgets. You might see something that can help to cool your system.

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