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Name: chez
Date: June 15, 2002 at 12:32:50 Pacific
Comment:

lately whenever i try to open a web page i get a message at the bottom left hand corner of the page that says "done, but with errors on the page" sometimes the page is totally blank and others only half the page loads. For instance on this page when i click the icon in the bottom left where the error message is it says:

Line 390
Char 5
Error Access is denied
Code O
URL http://ad.doubleclick.net/adi/computing etc etc

can anyone help me with this, its driving me nutso

thanks :-)



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Response Number 1
Name: JackG
Date: June 15, 2002 at 13:22:09 Pacific
Reply:

OK, its a slow day. So a real easy one.

Been seeing the same error message for the past few days at Netscape.com . Has not bothered me until you asked and said it was causing you a problem.

If you want to get rid of the errors and pages not completing. Go to the Windows folder and delete the file you placed there named "HOSTS" (note: no extension). Reboot and the problem should be gone.

The URL with doubleclick.net is the clue.

Looks like the AD people are fighting back. They are paying to have their clients Ads placed on web pages and web users are blocking their Ads using the HOSTS file. So by having some of the HTML required to correctly display the web site's page included in the Ads they send, you get errors or messed up web pages if you block their Ads.

Your choice, block the Ads and not be able to view some sites without errors, quit going to sites that allow this to happen, or put up with the Ads by removing the HOSTS blocking.


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Response Number 2
Name: Rick L
Date: June 15, 2002 at 13:33:29 Pacific
Reply:

I have "hosts" and "HOSTS.SAM"
Should they both be deleted?


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Response Number 3
Name: Jimbob
Date: June 15, 2002 at 14:27:06 Pacific
Reply:

Col came up with this the other day, I did a serch and came up with 27 entries.
The ones to delete are the ones without (#) in front of them, exept the "Local host" entry.
I moved them to a folder for a week before deleting, and then scrubed them.
I just made another search on reading this and they are there without any fresh entries.

Thanks Jack for your post that explains their existence a little better..Jim


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Response Number 4
Name: JackG
Date: June 15, 2002 at 15:45:56 Pacific
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HOSTS.SAM is just a SAMple file. It contains no entries, other than the required "localhost" entry.

If you have a HOSTS file, it is a copy of the sample file, with entries to be redirected or blocked added.

The lines that start with a # are just comments and could be deleted for faster processing of the file if you want to.

The URL (name) on the right is "mapped" or converted directly to the IP address on the left. Normally TCP/IP has to send out the URL name to a server to get the IP address in a response back. Then send the request to the IP address. By placing entries in this table, your computer can do this mapping of the URL to IP address, saving time by not sending the request to a server and waiting for the response. It can directly access the site as it has its IP address. This is how some of the Internet accelerators work. They track the sites you visit and "speedup" the process by doing the mapping on your machine by placing entries in your HOSTS file.

The Internet routers do not understand URL's, just IP addresses.

To block a site or URL, you add a line with the URL address on the right and insert the IP address of 127.0.0.1, which is your "local host" machine. Its no response causes the standard "no response" error message to be displayed for that request. If you use the IP address 127.0.0.0 which is an invalid address on your machine, it is even faster.

As URL mappings to IP address change, you can get blocked from sites if they are in this list, with a mapping to their IP address . So it is, as Col was trying to do, recommend that you delete entries in the HOSTS file where this has been done. (The non- 127.0.0.0 and 127.0.0.0 entries.)

The second issue is AD and site blocking. By placing the URL of undesirable sites or AD engine sites in this list you can block them. Web pages with a lot of Ads on them load faster (no Ads to wait for).

Now it looks like the Ad engine sites are starting to fight back and are trying to prevent the mass blocking of all Ad related sites as done with the HOSTS file from www.smartin-designs.com which blocks a long list of Ad engine sites and porn sites.

This change by the Ad engines is causing errors on web pages if the Ad sites are blocked. You must either remove the block or live with the errors.


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Response Number 5
Name: Renaissance Man
Date: June 15, 2002 at 15:58:02 Pacific
Reply:

I understand how to block unwanted sites with the hosts file, not that I use it. But if I want to speed up web surfing, how do I find the IP address of URLs to put in the hosts file?


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Response Number 6
Name: JackG
Date: June 15, 2002 at 16:55:31 Pacific
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Don't recall the site url that will do this for you. Maybe someone who does will post. But, doing a "ping" or "tracert" in DOS window will get it for you. If you enter: ping url it must first go get the IP address and then it displays it before doing the actual ping command.


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Response Number 7
Name: thekid
Date: June 15, 2002 at 18:19:43 Pacific
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So,can that be done to speed up surfing?If so,do tell...and keep it simple please,it's already way over my head at this point...

Is it "ping sky.net" youre thinking of? I've saved it in my run command box,but never really researched it to know how the heck to actually use it.


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Response Number 8
Name: chez
Date: June 15, 2002 at 19:34:27 Pacific
Reply:

hi everyone thanks for your help, i found a hosts file and this is what is says in there, are these the things i should be deleting,, thanks :-)

127.0.0.1 pop3.norton.antivirus #Added by Norton AntiVirus for e-Mail scanning

127.0.0.1 pop3.spa.norton.antivirus #Added by Norton AntiVirus for e-Mail scanning

127.0.0.1 AdSubtract
# Added by AdSubtract for auto-dial.


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Response Number 9
Name: Col
Date: June 16, 2002 at 08:50:46 Pacific
Reply:

Hi Guys,
Glad my post was understood by some of you, makes it well worth posting.
Jack, you mentioned 127.0.0.0.
I uninstalled a really good Ad blocker,
which used 127.0.0.1 as a proxy, i was told not to worry as that was my PC. But as my server doesnt use a proxy, i got rid of it.
Also put a tick in Use auto config script.
Need i have freaked out about it..
Been stung before !! Thanks Col


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Response Number 10
Name: chez
Date: June 16, 2002 at 10:08:49 Pacific
Reply:

sorry im just not great with puter stuff, just wasnt sure if i had the right file or not, didnt want to delete something i might need


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Response Number 11
Name: JackG
Date: June 16, 2002 at 12:53:25 Pacific
Reply:

chez:

The first two are Norton AV stuff. I don't think they are needed nor should they be causing the problems, so leave it alone for now.

The third line is VERY interesting. Something I have not seen before. And I am learning. http://www.AdSubtract.com is a site that sells "AdSubtract Pro" a program that blocks pop-ups Ads, and "Speeds sufing".

My guess is that this entry somehow links in their "list of sites to block" without actually adding them to the list. So:

Do you have this application installed???

If so, it is now causing problems viewing web pages with Ads in them.

Try renaming the HOSTS file to HOSTS.SAV and rebooting and see if it solves your problem. If it does, restore the name back to HOSTS and then look through the AdSubtract program documentation. If you do not find a problem or a solution, e-mail them at sales@adsubtract.com and tell them about the problem and let us know what their response is.

It seems their Ad blocking is now causing you problems. They may not be aware of it yet.


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Response Number 12
Name: JackG
Date: June 16, 2002 at 13:31:46 Pacific
Reply:

Speeding Internet surfing.

The theory put forward by the companies that sell such products, is that by having your computer do the translation of the URL name to the IP address that the Internet understands, you save time and accessing the Internet is a little faster.

Normally, your browser has to send a request, using a special IP address, to the Internet servers requesting the URL name string (like "www.compting.net") be translated into an IP address (216.25.255.9)
that your TCP/IP and your browser then uses to access the site. This round trip request for this information can take from 1/10 of a second to several seconds. If you have this information stored in the HOSTS file, this extra step is not needed. You save that amout of time each time you load a different page from the site.

Your ISP's computer will have a long list of such URL to IP addresses and will resolve many of them very quick and send the IP address back to you. If its not in their tables, the request is forwarded up the chain until one of the Internet servers who have this information responds with it.

If you are going to major sites all the time or sites are close to you, your ISP will resolve the address quickly so there is little advantage of this type of software. But if you visit small sites that do not make your ISP's list, then yes doing your own translation helps a lot.

If you go to a small number of sites a lot, like this one, you can speed up your access a little by puting an entry in the HOSTS file on one line:

216.235.147.35 computing.net

and this will get rid of the delay it takes the Internet servers to map the URL name to the IP address for each page.

The problem with doing this, is that some times URL names get changed to a different IP address for one reason or another as web sites move. Then your fixed mapping goes to the wrong IP address and you can not access the site. This is what the Ad blocking does, maps the Ad sites URL to your computer.


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Response Number 13
Name: chez
Date: June 16, 2002 at 23:25:22 Pacific
Reply:

hiya jack, thanks for the response :) I dont have any program called adsubtract on my computer the only thing i have ever used is ad-aware, i have always been totally happy with that so have never changed it.


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