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Name: Nancy Bradberry
Date: December 2, 2001 at 14:02:32 Pacific
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Dell Demension 8100
256 MB RDRAM
80 GB hard drive
Pentium 4
Processor 1.3 GHz


History of previous problems:
Using the “Restore” system (go back) : errors in NAV unable to detect Virus Scanning Database. Solution: Uninstalled NAV, but will still get error messages. Need to manually delete Common Files/Symantic Shared/Virus Def’s (only those files that appears in a string of numbers. (ie. 200000713.068)

Have downloaded the Norton System Works clean up to completely erase all NAV files on complete hard drive.NSW 2002 Professional. Received error as above stated.

Computer was “hanging”, would not allow installation of any programs such as all-in-one printer. Would hang on any program. Would have to C+Alt+Del and wait sometimes 5 minutes before end task screen would appear.

Started computer in Safe Mode. Removed NSW 2002 and ran NSW clean up.

Rebooted computer. Computer was not getting error messages but still hanging on programs.

Ran NSW from CD rom drive. Cleaned up and fixed problems.

Computer was now running perfect!!!! But no anti virus installed.

Tried to reinstall NSW. Message stated that I had to undo any fixes prior to installation. I clicked YES. Computer has now gone into a mode where nothing works. The following messages appear:

Alert! Previous attempts at booting this system have failed at checkpoint [Keyb]. For help in resolving this problem, please note this checkpoint and contact Dell Technical Support.

Alert! Previous hard drive thermal failure.
Alert! Previous voltage failure.
Alert! System battery voltage is low.
Alert! Previous fan failure.
Alert! Previous processor thermal failure.
Alert! Previous shutdown due to thermal event.
Please connect USB Keyboard/Mouse to USB port 1 on the back of your computer.
When restarting and holding down the delete key, I will also receive the following messages (which are all followed by the above Alert! Messages).

Alert! Previous attempts at booting this system have failed at checkpoint [VMsg]. For help in resolving this problem, please note this checkpoint and contact Dell Technical Support.

Alert! Previous attempts at booting this system have failed at checkpoint [Size]. For help in resolving this problem, please note this checkpoint and contact Dell Technical Support.

Alert! Previous attempts at booting this system have failed at checkpoint [EMUN]. For help in resolving this problem, please note this checkpoint and contact Dell Technical Support.

Alert! Previous attempts at booting this system have failed at checkpoint [AUX]. For help in resolving this problem, please note this checkpoint and contact Dell Technical Support.


I am unable to boot from Windows start up disc, or NSW disc, or my Dell Resource disc, or Windows ME disc, or Norton Rescue disc, or Norton rescue boot disc. I am unable to start in Safe Mode (F8) or Set up Mode (F2).

I have talked with Dell Tech Support. They walked me through the same solutions that I already tried. Nothing has worked. I continue to get the above Alert messages.

Dell told me that it was not a Dell issue, that it was a Norton Symantics issue.



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Response Number 1
Name: newgrl
Date: December 2, 2001 at 14:20:30 Pacific
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The hell if that is not a Dell issue. Those are all BIOS error messages indicating hardware failure. Specifically Dell propietary BIOS error messages indicating that something has gone terribly wrong with your PC.

Sounds like something has gone wrong with your CMOS chip... or you got some sort of CMOS virus.

What happens when you boot up without a bootdisk in? You say that you cannot enter F2 setup... what happens when you try?

Call Dell back.


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Response Number 2
Name: Nancy Bradberry
Date: December 2, 2001 at 16:17:55 Pacific
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I agree that it is a Dell issue. But I am waiting to hear back from Norton, so they can tell me that it is not a Norton issue.
It doesn't matter what boot up disc I have in or which F key (F2, F8, delete+F8, etc), or even if I let it boot up on it's own, I continue to receive the same messages. The screen is black (as if in Dos) and after the messages are displayed, the white cursor (or so it appears) will continue flashing. But there is no C prompt and I am uable to type anything.

The last thing Dell Tech Support said was that he didn't want to go into the System Box. He felt that I had some kind of virus and for me to contact Symantics.

I don't believe that I have a virus. I have always kept my virus protection up to date and had just updated prior to the incident.


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Response Number 3
Name: tech
Date: December 2, 2001 at 21:59:48 Pacific
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it won't boot from a floppy
it won't go into bios/setup
list of dell proprietary errors.
if under warranty, Dell should replace it!
or repair it, at their cost 100%
sounds like hardware failure,not a virus.


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Response Number 4
Name: Trev
Date: December 3, 2001 at 12:02:24 Pacific
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I agree with newgrl and sympathies with your problems.

Just for your information, I use Norton products a lot and I have always found it necessary to completely uninstall prior to a reinstall or a new install of Norton anything. That means using add/remove, then rebooting, then searching the hard drive for any mentions of Norton or Symantec and removing those folders, then searching the registry for same and removing those keys. Only then do I reinstall anything from Norton. And, while using LiveUpdate to bring Systemworks up to date again, I always disable the anti-virus programs in ctrl-alt-del before running Live Update. I have often found it necessary also to download only one update at a time, even to the point of expanding the + sign beside the update listed for a particular application and downloading only one of the sub-updates. It can also be necessary to reboot between each download of the sub-updates and to remember to deactivate anti-virus each time. It takes quite a while but it works and you then get a good install. If, after you download one update, you get a message which says "you chose not to install the 1 update available" ignore it because it is usually wrong. Great software, isn't it? But I still like it and use it. Luckily I don't have to reinstall it very often. :)


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Response Number 5
Name: Artman
Date: December 3, 2001 at 12:42:34 Pacific
Reply:

Ask Dell if it could be the CMOS battery. It sounds like failure of the system that detects and reports the failures rather than actual failures.


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Response Number 6
Name: Nancy Bradberry
Date: December 3, 2001 at 18:53:03 Pacific
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It appears that I am now being sent on a wild goose chase. Dell is sending me links to their Knowledge based info. You would think that they would at least send me to the right links that refer to Windows ME not Windows NT.


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Response Number 7
Name: Nancy Bradberry
Date: December 4, 2001 at 15:35:11 Pacific
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NEWGRL.......I think you have the answer about the corrupt Bios and the damaged CMOS chip. If you have any further info about this subject area, please respond.


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Response Number 8
Name: pb
Date: January 5, 2002 at 16:25:50 Pacific
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it is certainly a dell issue, I am a dell support tech and I have a customer on the phone with the exact same problem right now, I am stumped. we cannot get into setup, which severely inhibits my ability to fix the problem. oh, well. just wanted to confirm for you all that it is a dell issue, (oh yeah this guy has an 8200 with win2k)


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Response Number 9
Name: Craig Nelson
Date: January 5, 2002 at 20:08:14 Pacific
Reply:

Im in the same boat with an older Dell Dimension XPS M200s that I purchased for a c-note a few months ago for my mother-in-law.

I also do light tech/software support on the side and in the last month I have seen FIVE! Dells of different pedigrees suddenly die, all in the same manner: computers work fine, then suddenly they will no longer boot. Power on will init CD-Rom and spin the hard drive with a small burst, then nothing. Power remains, screen stays NO SIGNAL or blacked out, same difference.

Four of these suspicious boxes were Optiplexes running PII's and Celeron. The one I have my hands on is a 233 I believe, maybe 266, I forget.

I had my wife bring it home with her from a visit to Mom tonight - I bolted my monitor to it, plugged in the KB and mouse and plugged power to it - it immediately tries to start, I never get to press the on button. CD-Rom inits, HD bursts, then nothing.

Pissed off, I dc'd the CD-Rom from the IDE and the power. Made no difference.

Next, I replaced the Matrox V-card with my Voodoo III. No difference.

Next I removed a stick (not RAM, not sure what it is) which sits right beside the CPU & heatsink. Again, no difference.

I replaced the stick and pulled the RAM (32 megs of SD), then reseated it. No difference.

Frustrated, I took the Matrox and installed it into my box to begin running down hardware issues. Worked fine after installing drivers from WIN98 cabs. My box worked that is. So it aint the video card. I pulled my 128 megs of EDO and installed her 32meg stick of SDRAM. My machine came right up as expected. I even re-installed my EDO alongside the SDRAM - my machine working fine.

Im pissed about this. Very confusing. Someone suggested something about on-board video on the Dell system board, but the only video IN is from the card installed. I have yet to pull the CMOS battery, but this hasnt worked on the other cases, so I am reticent to do it now.

Could it be CPU failure? Maybe, but I cannot test this on my own. Not that adept.

One thing's fer certain. Something wierd is going on with Dell machines. My handbuilt box was birthed in 1997 and has survived 5 years of brutal use, a direct lightning strike, & 2 power supplies. It is running a blessed little AMD K6-2 300 at 333mhz. If anybody's machine should be DOA it's mine, so I am at a profound loss fer words.

DELL techie... I cannot afford to pay Dell to run me in circles, and you know I will have to pay for tech on such an old machine. Please, PLEASE, see for us if you can find a senior tech there who can answer some questions for us. Im a poor man, cannot just run out and buy a new box fer the in-laws, cant even upgrade my own. It would be a supreme service to us and yer karma would shine.

I am incredibly aggravated.

I welcome any replies.


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Response Number 10
Name: Robert Z
Date: January 17, 2002 at 12:54:44 Pacific
Reply:

Hey you guys I got it too. I fix PC's for a living and I used the old method of testing.

WinXP-Boot Disk(Failed)
Recovery Disk (Failed)
Bios Setup (correct)
Test hard drive on alternate PC (failed)
Test alternate hard drive in Dell GX400 (passed)

This testing leads me to believe that it's a bad hard drive. So I'm testing a Seagate Barracuda ATA/100. What are all of you testing? Let me know what you come up with.



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Response Number 11
Name: Andrew Eckles
Date: February 20, 2002 at 10:01:33 Pacific
Reply:

I have personally had 2 computers completely trashed when loading Norton SystemWorks 2002 from the CD and 2 more severely degraded in performance with multiple errors. One is a year old Dell.

Am still wondering about cause, but believe it may be a function of new Intel chip drivers from Microsoft update and Norton SystemWorks 2002. 3 were running 98SE and one Millenium.


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