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Name: spleen
Date: July 4, 2002 at 16:33:14 Pacific
Subject: Adding a 2nd Hard drive and reformatting
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I want to add a 2nd hard drive and use one drive for my files and scratch disk and one for program files. I don't know how to add the 2nd drive or how to reformat. Is any hard drive suitable? Any help is much appreciated!!!



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Name: wawadave
Date: July 4, 2002 at 19:14:13 Pacific
Subject: Adding a 2nd Hard drive and reformatting
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hello
you need to set the new drives jumpers to slave position.than install incomputer.
reboot computer gointo bios and see if its detected there (to goto bios on some computers on start up click delete on mine its f2 on other its f3 and there are others but thats the most common)
make sure bios is set to auto detect hd,s
if your wanting to make absolutly sure you dont reformat the wrong drive you can remove the one with o/s on it.
but than the new drive must be jumpered to master and put in old drives place. this is the way i did my first drive format for new drive .
with only the new drive in computer jumpered as mater in the same position on ide cable as old drive was reboot with boot disk
at the a:type fdisk click enter
click large disk suport,it will tell you curant disk drive is 1

Even though it does not really apply, since you're trying to lose all your data :-) ,
I'm going to give a disclaimer here:
FDISK is a powerful tool. It can do severe damage to your data if you tell it to do the wrong thing. So make sure, at each step along the way, that you read the information it gives you. If it prompts you for information, make sure that you understand what it's asking for before responding. Depending on how your system is configured, FDISK may give you additional prompts that will not show up in the steps I'm describing. So, before you type in something that I've told you to type, make sure that it's really asking you what I'm describing that it should be asking you at that point.

With that out of the way, here's the best attempt I can give at instructions:

The first thing you're going to need is a boot floppy disk--a floppy disk that you can successfully start your computer from, that has the necessary drivers to let you access your CD-ROM drive. Make sure that you have that disk--and that it works, and lets you successfully read CDs--before proceeding. If it turns out that there's a problem with this disk, you'll be in deep trouble.

In the COMMAND directory of your Windows directory (C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND, unless you've rearranged things), you'll find FDISK.EXE and FORMAT.COM. Copy those two files onto your boot floppy disk.


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You are about to erase your entire hard disk. Make sure that you have backups of your files, and that you have all the CDs you will need to reinstall things once you're done.

Reboot your computer, using that boot floppy. You should wind up at the "A:\>" MS-DOS prompt. Again, make absolutely, positively sure that you can access your CD-ROM at this point; try doing a "DIR E:" (or whatever drive letter your CD-ROM drive has), and make sure it works.

PART ONE
1) Create a Windows Startup disk in Add/Remove programs/Windows Setup.
2) Reboot the machine with the disk in the drive and choose to start without CDROM support from the menu that you'll eventually see.
3) At the A: prompt, type "fdisk" (without quotes) and hit Enter.
4) You'll see a message telling you that "Your computer has a disk larger than 512MB....". (I won't type the whole message because it's not necessary). But the last sentence reads "Do you wish to enable large disk support Y/N.......? [Y]
5) Here you press Enter. This will create a FAT32 partition.
6) The next thing you will see is a menu with 4 options which look like this:

1. Create DOS partition or Logical DOS Drive
2. Set active partition
3. Delete partition or logical DOS drive
4. Display partition information.

Enter choice: [1]

7) It's important to know exactly how the disk is setup at the moment before you begin. To find that out, type the figure "4" (without quotes) and hit Enter. This will take you to the next screen which looks like this:

Partition Status Type Volume Label Mbytes System Usage
C: 1 A PRI DOS 3000 FAT16 50%
2 EXT DOS 3000 FAT16 50%

Total disk space is 6000 Mbytes (1 Mbyte = 1048576 bytes)

The extended DOS Partition contains Logical DOS Drives
Do you want to display the logical drive information Y/N......? [Y]

These figures may not match your system exactly, but as long as you can understand what the information means, you're halfway there.

8) Press Enter to view the logical DOS drive info. Based on the information that you've already provided, you'll see something like this:
Drv Volume Label Mbytes System Usage
D: 1000 FAT16 50%
E: 1000 FAT16 50%

Total Extended DOS partition size is 3000 Mbyes

Press Esc to continue

9) Make a note of what drive letters appear here together with the exact name of the Volume Label (if there is one), then press the ESC key which take you back to the FDISK Options screen.

10) Type "3" (without quotes) and hit Enter. This will take you to the next screen which also contains 4 options. The title is called "Delete DOS Partition or Logical DOS Drive"
1. Delete Primary DOS Partition
2. Delete Extended DOS Partition
4. Delete Logical DOS drive in the Extended DOS Partition
4. Delete Non-DOS Partition

Enter choice: [ ]

11) Type "3" (without quotes) and hit Enter. This brings you to the next screen called "Delete Logical DOS Drive(s) in the Extended DOS Partition". At the foot of the window you'll see a warning message that reads "WARNING! Data in deleted Logical DOS drive will be lost.
What drive do you want to delete.........................? [ ]"

12) Type the last letter of the drive at the bottom of the list and hit Enter. Type the name of the Volume Label, or if there isn't one, just hit Enter. You'll see the familiar DOS final warning which reads "Are you sure?" Y/N...................[N]
This is the point of no return. You can cancel the whole process by hitting the ESC key twice which will take you back to the A: prompt.
13) Type the letter of the drive you want to delete and hit Enter. This will display the following message:
Drv Volume Label Mbyte System Usage
D:
E: Drive deleted

PART TWO
14) Repeat the same steps to delete the rest of the Logical DOS Drives. Once you've done that, press the ESC key and you'll see this message:
No Logical Drives are defined
15) Press the ESC key which takes you back to the same screen you saw in Step #1 and which looks like this:
1. Create DOS partition or Logical DOS Drive
2. Set active partition
3. Delete partition or logical DOS drive
4. Display partition information.

Enter choice: [1]

16) Type #3 "Delete partition or logical DOS drive" and hit Enter.
17) Type #2 "Delete Extended DOS Partition" and hit Enter. This takes you to the same screen you saw in step #7 except the warning message tells you that...."Data in the Extended DOS Partition will be lost".
18) Type "Y" (without quotes) and hit Enter. This produces the message in bold type which reads:
Extended DOS Partition deleted
19) Hit the ESC key which takes you back to the first screen again.
20) Type #3 "Delete partition or logical DOS drive" and hit Enter.
21) Type #1 "Delete Primary DOS Partitiion and hit Enter. You'll see the familiar warning again with [1] as the only choice. Just hit the Enter key.
22) Type in the Volume Label if there is one or just hit Enter. Type "Y" to confirm you want to delete the primary DOS partition. This will display the message Primary DOS Partition deleted.
23. Press ESC which brings you back to the first screen again.
24) Type #1 Create DOS Partition or Logical DOS Drive and hit Enter.
25) Type #1 Create Primary DOS Partition. This takes you to the following message:
"Do you wish to use the maximum available size for a Primary DOS Partition and make the partition active...Y/N.........[Y]
26) Type "N" (without quotes) and hit Enter. (If you just hit Enter, you'll get one big FAT32 partition). The next message you'll see will tell you how big the disk is and will ask you this:
"Enter partition size in Mbytes or a percent of disk space (%) to create a Primary DOS partition".
I suggest you split the disk into two partitions since it's only 6GB. There's really no point in creating three or four partitions unless the disk is at least 20GB.
27) So in answer to the above question, type "50%" (without quotes) and hit Enter. This will display the message "Primary DOS Partition created".
28) Hit the ESC key. Here you'll see a warning message telling you that "No partitions are set active - disk one is not startable unless a partition is set to active".
29) Type #2 and hit Enter. The next screen asks you which partition you want to make active.
30) Type #1 and hit Enter. You'll see a message telling you that partition 1 has been made active.
31) Hit the ESC key which takes you back to the first screen again.
32) Type #1 "Create DOS partition or Logical DOS Drive" and hit Enter.
33) Type #2 "Create Extended DOS Partition and hit Enter.
34) Press Enter to accept the size that has already been defined (this will be the remainder of the available space).
35) You'll see that the Extended DOS Partition has been created. However, there are as yet no Logical Drives defined within it which will be apparent to you when you hit the ESC key next. The message reads "No Logical Drives defined". Press Enter to allocate the entire space to the Logical DOS Drive within the Extended DOS Partition. if you insist on splitting the remaining space into two drives, type 50% here and repeat the above steps for the remaining drive.
36) Assuming you decide on the first option, press the ESC key twice which takes you back to the A: prompt.
37) Remove the floppy disk and reboot the computer. This will take you to a flashing cursor top left of screen.
38) Re-insert the boot floppy again and reboot the machine. At the A: prompt type this:
"FORMAT C: /U" (without quotes) and hit Enter. Type Y to the warning message that all data on drive C: will be lost and hit Enter to format the drive. Once that's been completed, press CTRL+ALT+DEL to reboot again and type "FORMAT D: /U" (without quotes) to format the D: drive. Repeat the same FDISK instructions to repartition the other hard drive.

At the "A:\>" prompt, type "FDISK" and press Enter.
You will see a very long message, telling you that "Your computer has a disk larger than 512 MB", and asking if you wish to enable large disk support. ("Large disk support" means "FAT32".) Answer "Y", to enable large disk support.
You will see the main "FDISK Options" menu, and the "Enter choice:" prompt. It will tell you "Current fixed disk drive: 1"--in other words, unless you tell it otherwise, it's going to operate on disk 1, the first disk it's found on the system. Since there's only one hard drive on your system (Make sure this is true), this is what you want to do.

You want to start out by deleting the existing partition from the disk. To do that, type in "3"--the "Delete partition or Logical DOS drive" option--and press Enter.
A menu will appear, asking you what sort of partition to delete. Enter "1"--"Delete Primary DOS partition"--and press Enter.
A list of partitions will appear; there will probably only be one partition there. It will ask you what primary partition to delete; choose "1"--the only one listed--and press Enter.
To make absolutely sure that you know what you're doing, it may prompt you to type in the volume label for the partition, which will be listed in the partition list. If the "Volume Label" column is blank, then the volume label is blank too, so just press Enter.
It will tell you "Partition deleted", or words to that effect, and send you back to the main menu.
Now you want to create a new partition. To do that, choose option 1-- "Create DOS partition or logical DOS drive"--and press Enter.
It will prompt you for what sort of partition to create; choose option 1-- "Create Primary DOS partition"--and press Enter.
It will prompt you "Do you wish to use the maximum available size for a Primary DOS partition and make the partition active (Y/N)?"
No, you don't; that would put you right back where you started--with a partition the size of the whole hard drive. So choose "N" and press Enter.
It will show you the total space on the drive, and prompt you "Enter size in MBytes or percent of drive space (%):" You want this first partition to take up one quarter of the drive space, so type in "25%" (make sure to include the percent sign), and press Enter.
It should tell you "Partition created; drive letters changed or added", or words to that effect. If it sends you back to the main "FDISK Options" menu, great; if it doesn't, press the Esc key until you're back there.

Before we go any farther, let's make this partition the "active partition"--the one that the system will try to boot from. Choose option 2, "Set active partition", and press Enter.
It will show you a list of partitions--which should only include one partition, the one you just created--and ask you what partition to set as the active one. Choose "1" (the number of the partition you just created), and press Enter. It will tell you that it's made that partition active, and prompt you to press Escape to go back to the main menu. Do that.

Now it's time to create the extended partition--the partition that will contain the remaining three partitions. Choose option 1-- "Create DOS partition or Logical DOS drive"--again.
When it prompts you for what type of partition to create, choose option 2-- "Create Extended DOS partition"--and press Enter.
If it prompts you "Do you wish to use the maximum available size?", then press "Y"--you do. Otherwise, if it prompts you to enter a size, enter the maximum value it allows--for example, if it tells you that the maximum possible size is 12843 MBytes, enter "12843"--with no percent sign--and press Enter.
FDISK should tell you that it's created the partition. Press Esc to return to the "FDISK Options" menu, if it doesn't send you there on its own.
Now it's time to fill up that extended partition you just created, by making three logical partitions to fill it. Again, choose option 1-- "Create DOS partition or logical DOS drive"--and press Enter.
This time, when it asks you what type of partition to create, choose option 3-- "Create Logical DOS drive(s) in the Extended DOS Partition"--and press Enter.
It will prompt you to "Enter logical drive size in MBytes or percent of disk space" once again. Type in "33%"--with the percent sign--and press Enter.
It will create the first logical partition, and immediately prompt you to "Enter logical drive size..." again. Again, type in "33%", with the percent sign, and press Enter.
It will create the second logical partition, and prompt you once again to "Enter logical drive size..." This time, look above the prompt, to where it says "Maximum space available for logical drives is (some number) MBytes". Type in the number of MBytes shown there, without a percent sign, and press Enter.
It will create the third logical partition, and tell you that "All available space in the Extended DOS partition is assigned to logical drives"--in other words, you've filled the entire space, just as you wanted to do. Press Escape to continue.
Believe it or not, you have now successfully partitioned your drive. Press Escape once more to exit FDISK.
It will give you one last warning, telling you that you must restart the computer for the changes to take effect. Press Escape one more time.
You should now be back at the "A:\>" prompt. Press Ctrl-Alt-Delete to restart the computer. Again, let it boot from the boot floppy.
When it gets back to the "A:\> prompt, type " FORMAT C: " to reformat the primary partition. When that finishes, type " FORMAT D: ", then " FORMAT E: ", then " FORMAT F: ", to format the remaining partitions.

You should now have a nice clean hard drive, with four 4GB partitions, ready to install your operating system of choice. Celebrate with your beverage of choice


How to Repartition and Format a Slave Hard Disk
How to Repartition a Slave Hard Disk
If you want to add a second hard disk (slave drive) to your computer, you need to make sure that the jumpers on both the master (original) and slave (new drive) are set according to the manufacturer's instructions first so that your computer can detect the hard disks. Verify that your hardware is installed correctly, and then follow these steps:
Click Start , point to Run , and then type command (Note that the cmd command only works on Windows 2000-based computers).


At a command prompt, type fdisk , and then press ENTER. The following menu is displayed:
1. Create DOS partition or Logical DOS Drive
2. Set active partition
3. Delete partition or Logical DOS Drive
4. Display partition information
5. Change current fixed disk driveNote that menu option 5 is available only if you have two physical hard disks on your computer.


Press 5, and then press ENTER. When you do this, the selection changes from the physical disk 1 (master) to the physical disk 2 (slave).


Press 1 to select the Create DOS partition or Logical DOS Drive menu option, press ENTER, press 2 to select the Create Extended DOS Partition menu option, and then press ENTER. When you make your slave drive an extended MS-DOS partition, your drive letters does not change. For example, if the first drive contains partition C and partition D, your slave drive becomes D unless you set the slave drive as an extended partition. If you skip this step and just create another primary MS-DOS partition for the slave drive, the new drive becomes drive D and what used to be drive D, changes to drive E.


You can partition the slave drive to make other logical drives just as you did with the original master drive. If your computer cannot detect the new drive, you may need to add the following line to your Config.sys file, where drive is a letter that is greater than the last drive letter on the computer (including the CD-ROM drive):


lastdrive= drive
After you finish using the Fdisk tool, format the new partitions so that you can use them. After you press ESC to quit the Fdisk tool, restart your computer to start Windows.


How to Format a Slave Hard Disk
To format your new partition or partitions, use one of the following methods, depending on your file system. For a FAT16 file system:
Double-click My Computer , right-click the partition that you just created, click Format , click Full , and then click Start .


After the format procedure is complete, click OK to close the dialog box.


For a FAT32 file system:
Click Start , point to Programs , point to Accessories , point to System Tools , click Drive Converter (FAT32) , and then click Next .


In the Drives box, click the drive that you want to convert to the FAT32 file system.


Click Next , and then click OK .


Click Next , click Next , and then click Next again.


When the conversion procedure is finished, click Finish .


NOTE : Do not use the /s switch that you used when you set up drive C. All you need to do is to format the drive or drives so that you can use them (for example, if you created two new drive letters, you need to format both drives).

For information about how to repartition the extended partition and logical drives, view the following "How to Repartition and Format the Extended Partition and Logical Drives of a Hard Disk" section in this article.
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How to Repartition and Format the Extended Partition and Logical Drives of a Hard Disk
Use the steps in this section to resize or combine your extended partition and logical drives. Make sure that you have a reliable backup of any important data that you have on your extended partition and logical drives before you proceed. If you want to combine your entire hard disk in one partition, use the steps in the "How to Partition and Format a Master Hard Disk" section in this article.
How to Repartition the Extended Partition and the Logical Drives
NOTE : When you use this method, two or more partitions are left on your hard disk, a primary partition (usually drive C) and an extended partition. Even if you use the FAT32 file system, there is an 8-GB partition limitation unless you obtain a BIOS upgrade that fully supports interrupt 13 extensions. For additional information about why there is an 8-GB limit, click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
Q153550 Hard Disk Limited to 8-GB Partition
If you have a hard disk that is larger than 8 GB and you are not using a disk overlay program or disk management software, you need to partition and format the space that is remaining after you create each 8-GB partition:
Place the Startup disk in your floppy disk drive, restart your computer, and then use one of the following methods, depending on your operating system.

For a Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, or Windows Me Startup disk:


When the Microsoft Windows 98 Startup menu is displayed, select the Start computer without CD-ROM support menu option, and then press ENTER.


At a command prompt, type fdisk , and then press ENTER.


Go to step 2.


For a Windows 95 Startup disk:


At a command prompt, type fdisk , and then press ENTER.


Go to step 2.


If your hard disk is larger than 512 MB, you receive the following message:
Your computer has a disk larger than 512 MB. This version of Windows includes improved support for large disks, resulting in more efficient use of disk space on large drives, and allowing disks over 2 GB to be formatted as a single drive.

IMPORTANT: If you enable large disk support and create any new drives on this disk, you will not be able to access the new drive(s) using other operating systems, including some versions of Windows 95 and Windows NT, as well as earlier versions of Windows and MS-DOS. In addition, disk utilities that were not designated explicitly for the FAT32 file system will not be able to work with this disk. If you need to access this disk with other operating systems or older disk utilities, do not enable large drive support.

Do you wish to enable large disk support (Y/N)?
If you want to use the FAT32 file system, press Y and then press ENTER. If you want to use the FAT16 file system, press N, and then press ENTER.

For additional information about the FAT32 and FAT16 file systems, click the article numbers below to view the articles in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
Q118335 Maximum Partition Size Using FAT16 File System
Q154997 Description of the FAT32 File System
After you press ENTER, the following Fdisk Options menu is displayed:


1. Create DOS partition or Logical DOS Drive
2. Set active partition
3. Delete partition or Logical DOS Drive
4. Display partition information
5. Change current fixed disk drive
(this option is only available if you
have two physical hard disks in the computer)Press 3, and then press ENTER. The following menu is displayed:


1. Delete Primary DOS Partition
2. Delete Extended DOS Partition
3. Delete Logical DOS Drive(s) in the Extended DOS Partition
4. Delete Non-DOS PartitionPress 3, and then press ENTER.


The Delete Logical DOS Drive(s) in the Extended DOS Partition screen is displayed with a chart that describes the attributes of your hard disk, as shown in the following example.
Drv Volume Label Mbytes System Usage
D: (User Defined) 2047 FAT16 100%
E: (User Defined) 2047 FAT16 100%
F: (User Defined) 2047 FAT16 100%
G: (User Defined) 2047 FAT16 100%
H: (User Defined) 2047 FAT32 17%
I: (User Defined) 1498 UNKNOWN 13%


Total Extended DOS Partition size is XXX Mbytes (1 MByte = 1048576 bytes).

WARNING! Data in a deleted Logical DOS Drive will be lost.

What drive do you want to delete?
Type the letter for the drive that you want to delete, and then press ENTER.


When you are prompted to type the volume label for the drive, type the volume label if the drive has a volume label.

NOTE : You must type the exact label or press ENTER if there is no volume label. If you type an incorrect label name, you receive the following message:
Volume label does not match.
Enter Volume Label?
If you type the correct volume label, you receive the following message:
Are you sure (Y/N)?
The default answer to this message is N. You must press Y, and then press ENTER to delete the drive. The words "Drive deleted" are displayed in the chart next to the drive letter that you deleted.


Repeat steps 3 through 7 until you have deleted all of the drives that you want to delete. When you are finished, press ESC. If you remove all of the logical drives, you receive a "No logical drives defined" message and a chart of drive letters that you changed or deleted. Press ESC to continue.

NOTE : If you want to resize the logical drive or drives by making them larger or smaller, do this now. If you want to remove the extended partition, view step 11.


Press 1 to select the Create DOS partition or Logical DOS Drive menu option from the Fdisk Options menu, press 3 to select the Create Logical DOS Drive(s) in the Extended DOS Partition menu option from the Create DOS Partition or Logical DOS Drive menu, and then press ENTER. When you do this, you receive a "Verifying drive integrity" message with a percentage-complete counter.

NOTE : When you use this step, the extended partition is not deleted, only the logical drive or drives in the extended partition are deleted. You do not need to remove the extended partition to resize the logical drives. For example, if you have one logical drive in the extended partition and you want to make two logical drives, delete the logical drive and create two logical drives in the extended partition first. Note that you are still limited to the total space in the extended partition.


After the drive verification procedure is finished, you receive the following message:
Total Extended DOS Partition size is XXX Mbytes (1 MByte = 1048576 bytes)

Maximum space available for logical drive is XXX Mbytes (X%)

Enter logical drive size in Mbytes or percent of disk space (%).
The "maximum Mbytes available" is the default size, however, you can change the number if you type the number for the partition size that you want to create, and then pressing ENTER. Press ESC, press ESC to quit the Fdisk tool and return to a command prompt, and then view step 11.


If you want to remove the extended MS-DOS partition, press ESC to return to the Fdisk Options menu. Press 3 to select the Delete DOS Partition or Logical DOS Drive menu option, press ENTER, press 2 to select the Delete Extended DOS Partition menu option, and then press ENTER.


The screen shows the current fixed disk drive and information about it. The extended partition is listed in the Type column. For example:
Partition Status Type Volume Label Mbytes System Usage
C: 1 A PRI DOS (your label) 1200 FAT16 50%
2 EXT DOS (your label) 1200 UNKNOWN 50%

Total disk space is 2400 Mbytes (1 Mbyte = 1048576 bytes)You also receive the following warning message:


WARNING! Data in the deleted Extended DOS Partition will be lost.

Do you wish to continue (Y/N)?
Press Y, and then press ENTER to delete the partition. You receive the following message:
Extended DOS Partition deleted
Press ESC to continue
NOTE : If you try to delete your extended MS-DOS partition before you remove all of the logical drives, you receive the following error message:
Cannot delete Extended DOS Partition while logical drives exist.
If you receive this error message, repeat steps 3 through 6, and then follow steps 9 and 10 to delete the extended MS-DOS partition.

The Fdisk Options menu is displayed. If you leave disk space unpartitioned on your hard disk, Windows may not display the full size of your hard disk, only the amount of space that is available.

IMPORTANT : After you change the Fdisk options or delete partitions, the data that was on the partition is deleted and cannot be retrieved. Be very sure that you understand this procedure before you attempt to follow it. If you want to start with a clean configuration or if you want to redo your current configuration, back up everything that is important to you before you use the Fdisk tool.


If you want to use the unpartitioned space on your hard disk, you must format the drives. When you successfully run the Format.com utility, you receive the following message:
WARNING, ALL DATA ON NON-REMOVABLE DISK DRIVE X : WILL BE LOST!
Proceed with Format (Y/N)?
Press Y, and then press ENTER to format the drive.


After the format procedure is finished, you receive the following message:
Volume label (11 characters, ENTER for none)?
NOTE : This is an optional feature that you can use to type a name for the hard disk. You can either type an 11-character name for the drive, or leave it blank and press ENTER.


after fdisking you can type at the
a:format c:
and click enter if you have not allread done this step in the above list.

after all fdisking and formating is done
take the new drive out rest its jumpers to slave and in stall it in other slot on ide cable install old drive in its orgidgenal spot and reboot computer
if you goto my computer you should see the new drive and any partions as drives in there have a nice day


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Name: deek
Date: July 4, 2002 at 22:20:50 Pacific
Subject: Adding a 2nd Hard drive and reformatting
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aaaw geee,
I wanted to say that.

deek


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