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Name: cholbach
Date: November 15, 2004 at 09:09:45 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
OS: 95
CPU/Ram: ??????
Comment:

When system boots on it says starting windows. A second later it says microsoft windows...and then goes to c:. I have followed a lot of the suggestions on other posts and had no luck. I do not have and software except for a boot disk which I downloaded. even with the boot disk it will not go into windows. How do you access the BIOS I have tried just about all the keys and had no luck. Nothing seems to be working. This is an old Compaq Deskpro 4000. I am a special ed teacher and trying to get it working for one of my students to have. Any ideas that won't cost me a lot of money???


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Response Number 1
Name: jboy
Date: November 15, 2004 at 09:33:54 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

If this is the same machine as in the post below, it does not seem that you have any Windows files on disk - and without installation software, I'm not sure what you expect to accomplish.

Safe Mode has little to do with anything

F10 is the usual key for a Compaq, but I'm not sure what you will be able to do from there even if you are successful in accessing the CMOS setup.

What are your expectations?


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Response Number 2
Name: cholbach
Date: November 15, 2004 at 09:38:58 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

I would like to just have it functional so a student can use the basic programs. O.k. I again tried dir c: and got the following to come up

WIN95 <DIR> 03-13-04 11:57a
COMMAND COM 93,812 08-24-96 11:11a

Yes this is the computer from the previous post


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Response Number 3
Name: OtheHill
Date: November 15, 2004 at 09:46:32 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

You currently have 17 responses to your original post. What do you hope to accomplish by reposting now?


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Response Number 4
Name: cholbach
Date: November 15, 2004 at 09:48:07 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

I don't think that I was clear in the first post plus it wasn't responding when I was submitting, had to retype several times so I thought I would give a new one a try and see if it kept up better...


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Response Number 5
Name: jboy
Date: November 15, 2004 at 09:54:01 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Ok - you just might have the installation files on the hard drive in the c:\win95 folder.

Try

cd\win95

setup


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Response Number 6
Name: cholbach
Date: November 15, 2004 at 09:56:39 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

at <WIN95:> I typed setup and got a bad command or file name


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Response Number 7
Name: jboy
Date: November 15, 2004 at 10:03:10 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Hmmm - well, check to see if there's anything even in there, I suppose - from that folder, enter

dir/w

.. should see a heap of files with the CAB extension - if so, enter

dir *.exe

to see what executable files might be there

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Response Number 8
Name: OtheHill
Date: November 15, 2004 at 10:04:57 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

From the command prompt type cd\win95> enter
type Dir/p>enter. Are any files listed?


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Response Number 9
Name: cholbach
Date: November 15, 2004 at 10:08:59 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

at WIN95 typed in dir/w and got
[.] [..]
0 files
2 dir(s)

at win95 typer dir*.exe and got
bad command or file name


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Response Number 10
Name: cholbach
Date: November 15, 2004 at 10:11:40 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

dir/p

o files
2 dir(s)


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Response Number 11
Name: cholbach
Date: November 15, 2004 at 10:14:25 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

It also continues to say volume c has no label if that matters or helps out at all


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Response Number 12
Name: OtheHill
Date: November 15, 2004 at 10:16:29 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Then it looks like the windows folder is empty. Looks like you need an operating system installed. If you perform the operation I suggested with Fdisk you may determine if the restore files are available. Do not delete anything while in Fdisk. Simply read.


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Response Number 13
Name: cholbach
Date: November 15, 2004 at 10:17:52 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

OtheHill

How do I do that? I know you said Fdisk, what is that? Option #4.


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Response Number 14
Name: jboy
Date: November 15, 2004 at 10:21:41 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
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Yes - doesn't seem to be anything there.

'bad command or filename' indicates that the file doesn't exist - or, you made a typing error (as in the case of 'dir*.exe')

Without the installation files, how do you hope to proceed?

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Response Number 15
Name: cholbach
Date: November 15, 2004 at 10:24:25 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

jboy

I do not know that is why I came here...


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Response Number 16
Name: OtheHill
Date: November 15, 2004 at 10:31:23 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Look on your floppy boot disk and see if there is a file called Fdisk. If so, simply type Fdisk and the program should start. When prompted select Y for large disk support. Then select option #4, view partitions and/or logical drives. Write down exactly what is reported and post back here. Use the escape key to exit Fdisk. If Fdisk isn't on the boot disk download the file and add it to the boot disk. Find fdisk here: http://radified.com/Files/ Take note of the file name and type as written to run the file.


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Response Number 17
Name: cholbach
Date: November 15, 2004 at 10:36:29 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Ran Fdisk and got this
Current fixed disk drive 1
Partition C:1
Status A
Type PRI DOS
Mbytes 1553
System FAT 16
Usage 100%
Totat disk space is 1553 Mbytes


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Response Number 18
Name: WARLOCK
Date: November 15, 2004 at 10:49:59 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

When it boots and goes to C:\ is there a flashing cursor. If so have you tried typing win and then hitting the enter key?


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Response Number 19
Name: cholbach
Date: November 15, 2004 at 10:51:01 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Tried typing win. There is a curser that appears at the C:. Win does not work


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Response Number 20
Name: WARLOCK
Date: November 15, 2004 at 10:56:20 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

sounds like the system.ini file is corrupt. You got another PC with 95 on that is working?


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Response Number 21
Name: cholbach
Date: November 15, 2004 at 10:57:30 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Yes I do. Tried a boot disk that I made from that comp and it didn't work. Any thoughts or ideas would be great...


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Response Number 22
Name: WARLOCK
Date: November 15, 2004 at 11:03:50 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Copy the sysyem.ini file.(looks like a notepad file with a yellow gear on it.) to a floppy disk It is found in C:\Windows. then use your start up floppy on the none working PC. When A prompt is up change the floppy disk for your one with the system.ini on it. Then type at the a prompt. copy system.ini to c:\windows then hit the enter key. The restart if it says it copyed.

Trying the command for memory. So please forgive me if its no right.


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Response Number 23
Name: OtheHill
Date: November 15, 2004 at 11:06:29 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

From your post on Fdisk it would appear that you have only one partition and it is formatted using FAT16 file system. This menas you will need to acquire an operating system for this computer. Ebay was mentioned. As I stated I wouldn't spend too much on this system. Maybe WARLOCK can find something we missed.


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Response Number 24
Name: jboy
Date: November 15, 2004 at 11:07:14 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

If the hard drive is empty (as it seems to be), not a whole lot is going to be accomplished by these exercises.


The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing..if you can fake that, you've got it made.


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Response Number 25
Name: cholbach
Date: November 15, 2004 at 11:09:33 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

will try it in a few minutes


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Response Number 26
Name: WARLOCK
Date: November 15, 2004 at 11:11:13 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Fat 16 is an early form of 95. It didnt go to FAT 32 until the last version of 95.


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Response Number 27
Name: WARLOCK
Date: November 15, 2004 at 11:17:48 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Got an old PC the command is.

copy system.ini to c:\windows

then hit the enter key, then follow the prompts.


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Response Number 28
Name: WARLOCK
Date: November 15, 2004 at 11:19:13 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Sorry should be.

copy system.ini c:\windows


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Response Number 29
Name: WARLOCK
Date: November 15, 2004 at 11:30:39 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Also noticed that scanreg/restore or scanreg/fix has not been tried at the A prompt.


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Response Number 30
Name: WARLOCK
Date: November 15, 2004 at 11:38:41 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Sorry that should be at A prompt type C: then hit enter then try at C: prompt. scanreg/restore or scanreg/fix



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Response Number 31
Name: ddp59
Date: November 15, 2004 at 13:07:38 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

the drive is empty but bootable, you need the software win95, win98 or the restore cd if that even existed at all. until software is found that computer is just a big paperweight

david


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Response Number 32
Name: Derek
Date: November 15, 2004 at 14:57:51 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

A few things stand out to me:

1. You can't use scanreg commands (#30) because they don't work on W95 (assuming there is any part of W95 in existence - it seems not).

2. The fact that the HD has no label doesn't matter a fig. It's just a "name". If the system was serviceable you could give it any old name you like.

3. The HD seems to be about empty. In which case no further progress can be made without some sort of system disk (W95 or whatever). No amount of fiddling about can possible overcome this. If a car has no engine it can't possibly run until you get one. Try EBay.

Derek.W


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Response Number 33
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: November 15, 2004 at 17:26:27 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

I can send you a 95 cd if you can't find one locally.


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Response Number 34
Name: ham30
Date: November 15, 2004 at 17:53:40 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Warlock, there is no c:\windows folder on the drive. The only thing on the drive is a c:\win95 folder.


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Response Number 35
Name: Dan Penny
Date: November 16, 2004 at 02:23:43 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

And WARLOCK, that folder is empty based upon his reply in the other posting. (162487)


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Response Number 36
Name: WARLOCK
Date: November 16, 2004 at 12:25:12 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Take the hard drive out of the PC. And set the jumper to slave on the hard disk. Put it in your working PC as a slave. Boot using the master drive. Then using windows you can view the drive to see if there is any thing on it. If the folder win95 is on it look inside. Compair contents of this folder if any. With the working windows folder.


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Response Number 37
Name: OtheHill
Date: November 16, 2004 at 13:06:35 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

WARLOCK

Windows isn't on that disk.


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Response Number 38
Name: Derek
Date: November 16, 2004 at 13:13:23 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

You know folks I'm beginning to find this all great fun.

Seems as if the poster doesn't believe us.

Warlock doesn't appear to believe either us, the poster, or any evidence that has been posted.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but I'm sure sticking around for the punch line...

Derek.W


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Response Number 39
Name: WARLOCK
Date: November 16, 2004 at 13:25:35 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Your point been? Even if it is empty. He can ghoust his other drive.


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Response Number 40
Name: OtheHill
Date: November 16, 2004 at 13:27:26 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

What other drive?


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Response Number 41
Name: WARLOCK
Date: November 16, 2004 at 13:30:05 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Her has a working PC with 95 0n. If he does as I posted.

Take the hard drive out of the PC. And set the jumper to slave on the hard disk. Put it in your working PC as a slave. Boot using the master drive. Then using windows you can view the drive to see if there is any thing on it. If the folder win95 is on it look inside. Compair contents of this folder if any. With the working windows folder.

Then he can ghost his working drive to the empty drive.

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Response Number 42
Name: OtheHill
Date: November 16, 2004 at 13:34:35 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

There are so many responses to this post that I can't debate wheather another machine may be available. Even if there is another machine available and you clone the drive. What will he do after the system asks for a windows disk for any reason? This is an exercise in futility. The poster was originally trying to help out a student. Let the student purchase some software. One poster even offered to send a CD of Win95.


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Response Number 43
Name: OtheHill
Date: November 16, 2004 at 13:36:18 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Warlock I forgot to mention that for the cost of Ghost the poster could probably buy a used CD of Win95 on Ebay. Ghost may not run on Win95A anyway.


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Response Number 44
Name: jboy
Date: November 16, 2004 at 13:38:50 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Not quite futile - it's given us a pretty good showcase of WARLOCK's abilities, cognition & communication skills.

The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing..if you can fake that, you've got it made.


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Response Number 45
Name: WARLOCK
Date: November 16, 2004 at 13:42:17 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

jboy rude.

OtheHill downloads are available. Just do a google search.



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Response Number 46
Name: WARLOCK
Date: November 16, 2004 at 13:49:12 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Before you attack people know a bit about them. I could find full versions of both to download. But I am not allowed to post them here. Use google.


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Response Number 47
Name: jboy
Date: November 16, 2004 at 13:50:29 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Heh - ouch, I'm wounded ; )

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Response Number 48
Name: jboy
Date: November 16, 2004 at 13:51:34 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Nothing to attack... nothing really there.


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Response Number 49
Name: WARLOCK
Date: November 16, 2004 at 13:52:50 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

jboy you are one sad git. lol


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Response Number 50
Name: OtheHill
Date: November 16, 2004 at 14:06:10 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

WARLOCK

Many of use here also know sites to download illegal software. That isn't what the special ed teacher is looking for.

cholbach

Look at this site for a copy of Win95 OEM for $17 http://www.computersystems2go.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=356&dc=PW406_O


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Response Number 51
Name: jboy
Date: November 16, 2004 at 15:09:18 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Hard to beat DAVE's offer.

fwiw, the OP has reposted (yet again) after claiming to have win.com (somewhere) on the machine, and hopes to resolve things by editing config.sys

As well, they have access to a recovery CD - unknown if it's for the model in question.


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Response Number 52
Name: OtheHill
Date: November 16, 2004 at 15:23:22 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Yea jboy I saw the post.


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Response Number 53
Name: Dan Penny
Date: November 17, 2004 at 03:43:35 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

What's a "git"?


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Response Number 54
Name: jboy
Date: November 17, 2004 at 09:35:47 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Heh - it's Britspeak

"git: an unlikeable person"

Harsh words indeed - it can also be a reference to 'an illegitimate person (a b---tard)'

It's the kind of talk you would expect from a gormless wanker ; )


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Response Number 55
Name: ddp59
Date: November 17, 2004 at 11:48:33 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

i was the one that mentioned restore cd in post 31, as he didn't say anything about it i guess he dosen't have one

david


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Response Number 56
Name: jboy
Date: November 17, 2004 at 11:51:30 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

He says he does now.


The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing..if you can fake that, you've got it made.


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Response Number 57
Name: Dan Penny
Date: November 17, 2004 at 12:28:33 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
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" "git: an unlikeable person"

Harsh words indeed - it can also be a reference to 'an illegitimate person (a b---tard)' "

Well that's not very nice. (I guess name calling might be part of his skills set.)


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Response Number 58
Name: jboy
Date: November 17, 2004 at 12:58:56 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

So it would seem.

Slings & arrows - although I may well be 'an unlikeable person' (at least to some), my legitimacy is beyond refute ; )

The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing..if you can fake that, you've got it made.


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Response Number 59
Name: Dan Penny
Date: November 17, 2004 at 14:01:19 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
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Legitimacy. Indeed.

Well I ~do~ hope you weren't too bruised by this. If it makes you feel any better, I still like you and respect your knowledge and opinions. ;>) I've seen it in action for the last five years.


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Response Number 60
Name: jboy
Date: November 17, 2004 at 14:22:47 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Aw, thanks Dan - likewise - jeeze, it has been about 5 years(!)

Just blundering along like the rest - sometimes we can help solve a problem, and sometimes not. Either way, we usually give it a good try.

It just gets a bit irksome when helpers appear to ignore posted info and then proceed with the kitchen sink approach - nothing much ever comes of that except frustration for the OP


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Response Number 61
Name: Derek
Date: November 17, 2004 at 14:33:51 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
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Obviously NOT applicable but it seems the translation (slang) is more like "silly person". Still not nice tho.

SEE 'GIT'

Interesting point on the URL (I've seen stated many times by the Brits) that we have corrupted English more than the Americans. Apparently USA English is often much more like "Old English" than anything you hear in the UK.

Err...not that 'git' is real English. Often used by the uncouth I gather.

Derek.W


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Response Number 62
Name: jboy
Date: November 17, 2004 at 14:50:04 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
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Oh yeah, the import, at least, was not lost on me. Grew up amongst a slew of English Aunts and Uncles and sundry others - then there was that Python influence ; )

I'd always thought that Canadian English was pretty similar to the original - certainly spelling is more consistent. Of course, we have our dialects as well - as anyone who's visited the Maritimes will attest to.


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Response Number 63
Name: Dan Penny
Date: November 17, 2004 at 16:49:44 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
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Thanks Derek, now that phrase in The Beatles song "I'm So Tired" (Album = "The Beatles" AKA The White Album) makes perfect sense to me;

"and curse Sir Walter Raliegh(sp?), he was such a stupid git"

(I gather they "might"?? have been talking about smoking something other than tobacco.) Not that I would know of course. I saw it happen in Viet Nam once or twice. ;>) Thats all.


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Response Number 64
Name: Derek
Date: November 17, 2004 at 17:04:47 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
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Never spotted it, but I've only got a box of Beatles EP's (reprints).

Wow, we've gone a bit off topic. Wonder what happened to cholbach - another post or two perhaps....

Derek.W


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Response Number 65
Name: WARLOCK
Date: November 19, 2004 at 08:54:32 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

To all you here.

Fact jboy cast the first stone. Not my fault if he did not like my response. Maybe he should try to be more polite to those that are trying to help. jboy is not a god around here. And barely passes for even been a humam being. With the better than thou crap he posts.



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Response Number 66
Name: jboy
Date: November 19, 2004 at 12:27:39 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
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Heh - I wouldn't even dream of trying to pass for 'humam' (who would?)


The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing..if you can fake that, you've got it made.


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Response Number 67
Name: WARLOCK
Date: November 19, 2004 at 12:36:59 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

As been the scum of the earth. No. But you are lower than a snakes belly lol


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Response Number 68
Name: Dan Penny
Date: November 19, 2004 at 15:57:34 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
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Well WARLOCK, if you start reading some of the posts/topics (in other forums as well as this one) you'll find that jboy is a well respected and knowledgable member of this site. Whether he be humam or not. Once you do start reading, you'll probably start learning that some of your posts are way out in left field. No offence, and I do respect the fact that you are trying to help(?) with your postings, but do some research before jumping off of the deep end.


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Response Number 69
Name: Dan Penny
Date: November 19, 2004 at 16:00:59 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
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Just being curious, and if you don't mind my asking, just how old are you WARLOCK?


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Response Number 70
Name: Dave357
Date: November 19, 2004 at 18:47:50 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
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Hey Dan Penny...

>just how old are you WARLOCK?

Are you referring to cronologically or developmentally?

My guess would be about 14-16.


Dave

If a Man is talking in the forest and there is no woman there to hear him, is he still wrong?


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Response Number 71
Name: Dan Penny
Date: November 19, 2004 at 19:40:32 Pacific
Subject: won't boot windows even in safe mod
Reply: (edit)

Hi Dave, Yeah, that's what I'm wondering about. His vernacular and tenacity seem to imply this aspect.


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