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Name: Derek
Tried to download full DirectX 9.0c from MS and was confronted with a validation process. This failed (IE Information toolbar shown didn't exist and alternative method said "validation code not available").
This happened previously on a java download but eventually it deemed me OK - no longer it seems, despite having a "paid for" W98SE.
My main questions is whether a W98SE user should expect all this Windows Genuine Advantage validation nonsense because I'd assumed it was only for XP?
I eventually had to go for near piracy and get the file by other means than from MS (perhaps they are trying to encourage this). As a supplementary question is anyone using DirectX 9-0c on W98SE and was it OK?
DerekW
I d/l'd mine from this site - no problems that I'm aware of.
I had encountered 'the advantage' once, when I'd downloaded some patch or another from M$ - bit of a runaround, but it all worked out
We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know that is not true
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Only problem I've heard about Directx 9.0c is with the online install version where one sometimes had to use the Run Box to finish the installation with.
Genuine Advantage checker wouldn't run here either until I went at it two ways. For XP there is the ActiveX dongle one installs, but without that dongle installed first, the "unsupported 98 OS's" GenuineCheck.exe method 2 download that eventually lets me at the download I wanted won't run right. Now that I know that much, next time I'll try to double click on the saved GenuineCheck.exe and save some download time. Considering the dubiousness of the authors it's possible we are all stuck redownloading GenuineCheck.exe each and every time.
Double clicking on GenuineCheck.exe without the dongle installed results in a locked up IE requiring a reboot to fix. Early GenuineCheck.exe would at least pop up my dial up box and make a connection before locking up IE, but the recent version just locks up IE with reboot as the only fix for the lockup.
Lee
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jboy
Near piracy was naughty bit of an exaggeration on my part - perhaps I was just a bit niggled that MS chucked me off. In fact the website you gave was the one got it from.melee5
I did run GenuineCheck.exe and that was what resulted in the "validation code not available" error message. Having read your post I'm still not clear about what I have to do to get the GenuineCheck.exe to run on W98SE.Ham30
Thx for the info, I was holding back install in case there were any issues I didn't know about.DerekW
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I'm surprised that M$ hasn't taken down The Software Patch (TSP) for being a depot for Microsoft Windows Update patches. I believe that as a condition for M$ not taking down this site TSP must have silently incorporated .. you know...
i_XpUser
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This one doesn't seem to require "naughty" action:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=FB73D860-5AF1-45E5-BAC0-9BC7A5254203&displaylang=en#QuickInfoContainer
Gee, 9c (10/04) was 13MB now 9c (04/06) is 52MB!
Bloatware creep?Best
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jubalsams
Yeah, you're right, that one looks fine. What I was doing was going to the normal Windows Update, then the W98SE Updates (not critical ones), then via "read more" and various links until I reached the full file download. That one required the validation process despite being directed there via W98SE.Sure, the full file is 52M but jboy's link in #1 (same file) says that you'll hardly see the difference in HD usage. Maybe we're not comparing with like with like somehow. Perhaps the smaller one was just an Update rather than a full file, or maybe there are a stack of "will be redundant" files in the 52M which are necessary to ensure all Windows systems are covered.
DerekW
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... the link to the download on this page leads me straght into the verification process.
DerekW
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I haven't downloaded the latest version of DirectX 9.0c, as one of the notes mention it cannot be uninstalled without reinstalling your operating system. I don't have my installation CD, so this would be troublesome. I am not having any serious problems as yet, so need I concern myself with this most recent update? Thanks,
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I'm pretty sure that's been the case with DirectX since version 7 or so.
Newer software or hardware may require (or at least, work better with) the latest version
I'd downloaded mine maybe a year ago - it might have been smaller then (about 36Mb)
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JimmieC
I've also had 9.0b for some time with no issues. I was just collecting updates in case they become hard to find after MS support stops on W98 at the end of June. If you look at the link jboy gave in #1 it does mention that it fixes some security issues. How important these are probably depends on usage.jubalsams
Found a DirectX 9.0b download and it was 35M. So I assume 9.0c gobbles up another 17M (unless some files are for other systems). Either way it's presumably about a 50% increase in size.DerekW
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Derek
You just need the ActiveX dongle installed first and then GenuineCheck.exe should give a valid number in a pop up box.BUT if you installed the latest IE cumulative 912812 update you may be having ActiveX requests ignored in that you won't be presented with the opportunity to even install the dongle via ActiveX like one used to.
For those so affected here is a reg file that when merged will install a damaged ActiveX dongle into Windows\Downloaded Program Files folder that one should be able to then right click and choose Update to get the full, properly installed dongle working right no matter what.
REGEDIT4
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Code Store Database\Distribution Units\{17492023-C23A-453E-A040-C7C580BBF700}]
"SystemComponent"=dword:00000000
"Installer"="MSICD"[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Code Store Database\Distribution Units\{17492023-C23A-453E-A040-C7C580BBF700}\DownloadInformation]
"CODEBASE"="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=39204"
"INF"="C:\\WINDOWS\\Downloaded Program Files\\LegitCheckControl.inf"[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Code Store Database\Distribution Units\{17492023-C23A-453E-A040-C7C580BBF700}\InstalledVersion]
@="1,5,512,0"
"LastModified"="Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:43:46 GMT"[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Code Store Database\Distribution Units\{17492023-C23A-453E-A040-C7C580BBF700}\Contains]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Code Store Database\Distribution Units\{17492023-C23A-453E-A040-C7C580BBF700}\Contains\Files]
"C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\LegitCheckControl.DLL"=""Remember to have at least one blank line at the end of .reg files. Press F5 to see new status of the dongle when done. The version info above is old thus an update should always happen, right?
I don't blame anyone if they don't want their dongles messed with, but this IS from my machine to yours. The update of the dongle will rewrite all of this reg file anyway with pretty much the same info but with new version and dates. This will install and register LegitCheckControl.DLL file into the System folder too which I believe to be in cahoots with GenuineCheck.exe.
Lee
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Thx Melee5, that's great stuff. When I get a bit more time I'll dig into it and report back here. Most likely I'll give it a shot.
DerekW
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jboy & Derek;
Thanks for responding to my post. I would like to d/l the current release to get the added security protection. Just reluctant to be faced with having to reinstall the OS. It would prove to be quite a task with no CD to work with. I guess I will have to stay with the DirectX that I presently have and take my chances. Thanks again.
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JimmieC
It might be worth downloading the full 9.0c file from the link provided by jboy or the one from jubalsams. If you can burn it onto a CD then you can put it by just in case you ever need it.
My guess is it would be just fine but without a Windows CD I agree that it would probably best not to rock the boat. There is a freebie called DirectX Buster which removes DirectX but again without the CD it's probably best to play safe.
Sometimes cheap W98 CD's come up on eBay but you need to be sure it is a full version and FE or SE (whatever you have). You also need to be sure it has a product key. If you plan to keep your OS it is much better if you have a Windows CD tucked away somewhere.
DerekW
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melee5
In fact my registry entries are exactly as given in your .reg file. Presumably this came about when (earlier) I went through this validation procedure online and it worked.
Despite searching Google and reading several MS articles I only find references to WGA when it is XP or Win2000.
I'd be interested to know if anyone else on W98SE clicks my link in #8 whether the validation procedure is oferred or whether it goes straight to the download.
DerekW
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Derek;
I am in complete agreement with your previous post. I will download 9.0c as you suggested, and keep it in reserve. Thank you for the advice.
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Derek;
When using your link provided in post #8, it directs me to "Validation Required". I am running Windows 98se.
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From 'Continue' (validation required) I was offered a choice: either to use 'plugin.exe' or the alternate 'GenuineCheck.exe' method.
I used the 2nd (& as before) - running the executable generates a 'validation' code number that's entered into the appropriate box - once done, you can proceed to the download
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Progress at last.....
OMG, I now have to own up to being half brained about the whole thing. You have to be "ONLINE" when you run the downloaded file GenuineCheck.exe
Then you get the number given to you. Seems you have to use this number every time you get one of these nominated Updates tho. Not sure if restoring an old registry ruins it all but even then by using the correct procedure it will presumably work.
I'm still curious about whether others with W98SE get this validation offered when they go to the link in #8. Someone I spoke to on email a few months ago said they just went straight to the download and had no idea what I was on about.
DerekW
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Sure, it 'phoned home' when executed (firewall alert) - as a matter of interest, the code eventually expires - I'd kept track of & tried to use the old one, but no go.
We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know that is not true
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Reckon this post is about sorted, so thanks to all who contributed.
I overlapped with jboy on #19 which confirms W98 users are now being lumbered with this WGA thingy.
I note that validation number expires, which is a bit fiddling.melee5's input at #12 should be useful for anyone who (unlike me) managed to get this WGA on board before the cumulative IE Update he mentioned. I see no reason why it shouldn't do the trick.
As for me, well I just have to remember that you don't always have to go offline to run .exe's and in this instance it was quite wrong.
DerekW
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JimmieC
Thx for confirmation in your #18. I missed it first time around in flurry of posts.
DerekW
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