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Name: tylerb9
Date: February 13, 2006 at 09:41:39 Pacific
OS: Windows 98
CPU/Ram: AMD Duron 1.3 / 512 RAM
Comment:

I'm having some problems booting my computer into Windows 98. My computer is about 3 or 4 years old. My problems seemed to start when I upgraded to Adobe Acrobat 6.0, after installing it my computer would freeze up when I attempted to shut it down. I imagine an incorrect shutdown caused some problems on my hard drive and after this boot up problems began.
I used a bootdisk to boot into windows and uninstalled adobe and since then windows will shutdown properly but it still won't boot up without the bootdisk.

Pretty much what happens is when I start the computer up BIOS does the memory tests but when it gets to checking my 2 hard drives it says they cannot be detected. To get it to boot into windows I put in the boot disk, let it copy its files, then turn the computer off and turn it back on it and it starts up with the BIOS detecting everything like normal. The computer runs fine once I get it booted up.

I do receive an error message after running the boot disk that says along these lines "the partitions on the disk cannot be found."

I'm not exactly sure what's wrong but I'm thinking it's something to do with the boot record being messed up.

Does anyone know what I need to do to get my system to boot again like normal without the use of a Boot Disk?

Thanks for your help!



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Response Number 1
Name: jboy
Date: February 13, 2006 at 09:50:30 Pacific
Reply:

"To get it to boot into windows I put in the boot disk, let it copy its files"

Say what now?

First & foremost, the drives must be recognized in the BIOS - not much will happen if they aren't, that's a whole different (and primary) 'level' before any OS related operations can be performed

Science is built up with facts, as a house is with stones. But a collection of facts is not more a science than a heap of stones is a home


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Response Number 2
Name: tylerb9
Date: February 13, 2006 at 12:31:55 Pacific
Reply:

another thing I wanted to add,
When starting up the computer the BIOS does the memory test then I get the following;

AUTO-DETECTING PRI DRIVE: NOT DETECTED
AUTO-DETECTING SEC DRIVE: NOT DETECTED

Then I get the following message...

Novell Netware Ready Firmware V1.00
analyzing network media type, this may take several seconds...

RPL ROM ADR 000D-87D7-B4D9
RPL ROM IRQ 5
RPL ROM PIO D800
RPL ROM FFC (counts from 1 to 50)


boot failure
reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device
press any key when ready

** I believe the Novell Netware is related to my network adapter (SiS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter) **

This is where it gets kinda weird. After this error I can restart the computer over and over or turn the computer off and on multiple times and get the same Novell Netware error but if I restart it with the windows boot disk and let it read the bootdisk, then turn off the computer for a few seconds and turn it back on, the BIOS will detect the Hard Drives like normal and boot up windows normally.
I'm not sure why it does this, you would think the bootdisk wouldn't be doing anything since I turn the computer off and on again after letting the computer read the boot disk.

Another thing I've noticed is once I have my computer running awhile and its warmed up I can turn the computer off and on and restart it without any problems, it seems to run into the errors when its starting up after being off for a few hours.

Does anyone have any ideas what could be causing the problem or know what the Novell Netware error could be cause from?

I appreciate any help!
Thanks!


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Response Number 3
Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: February 13, 2006 at 12:55:04 Pacific
Reply:

It sounds like booting on floppy is simply giving the HDs time to 'warm up' and the the linkage to Adobe is coincidental.

As we say, a purely temporal sequence does not imply causality.

You may have a sluggish / failing HD.

Or a sluggish / failing CD.

Try the main HD by itself. [disconnect all other IDE devices]


If at first you don't succeed, you're about average.

M2


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Response Number 4
Name: Rimfire
Date: February 13, 2006 at 13:40:53 Pacific
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The RPL error indicates that the computer did not find a valid boot disc. So it has tried to boot off the network.

Make sure that you have backed up any data that you don't want to lose. As your hard drive(s) may be about to fail.

Another possibility is the power supply is struggling to supply enough 12V. If you have recently added any new hardware, you will need to upgrade you power supply. Overloading a psu can cause voltage spikes which in turn might destroy any component in the computer.


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Response Number 5
Name: tylerb9
Date: February 13, 2006 at 14:34:16 Pacific
Reply:

I haven't changed anything around on my computer since I added a 120 GB slave drive to my system about 2 years ago. The original 30 GB hard drive is a about 4 years old so its possible it could be failing.
The weird thing is how it only wants to boot up after I put in the boot disk and then turn the computer off and turn it back on without the boot disk in the floppy drive. Weird

Could it be my CMOS battery is failing? One thing I was thinking is if the battery is getting low, the warm up time may not be warming up the hard drive, but giving the CMOS battery a short recharge. Think that could be the cause of the problem?


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Response Number 6
Name: jboy
Date: February 13, 2006 at 15:45:29 Pacific
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Thing is, the bootdisk has nothing to do with anything - you could go and have a cup of coffee and get the same effect. Until the drives are recognized in the BIOS, whatever you may do in the interim will be of no consequence - as suggested, seems like the drives need time to spool up - some BIOS allow you to add a delay, or possibly you can disable any sort of 'quick POST' etc

CMOS batteries don't as a rule recharge - weak ones may 'come back to life' as the system heats up - that's just chemistry. HDD recognition is pretty much automatic, so the battery is not likely the culprit. If the system keeps time well when off, you can rule that out completely

Science is built up with facts, as a house is with stones. But a collection of facts is not more a science than a heap of stones is a home


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Response Number 7
Name: Rimfire
Date: February 13, 2006 at 16:51:01 Pacific
Reply:

All that the CMOS battery does is supply a charge to prevent the bios settings from being lost when the power is removed.

Hard drives don't have glow plugs (although is an interesting theory one worthy of the infamous Dave The Snake). With use the bearings one which the platters spin can become worn. This make it harder to get the platters spinning at the correct speed. Hence it takes longer before the drive can be read. As with all wear related faults, this is something which will not improve with use.


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Response Number 8
Name: tylerb9
Date: February 13, 2006 at 21:00:53 Pacific
Reply:

Could it be a problem with the Master Boot Record on the master hard drive?


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Response Number 9
Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: February 13, 2006 at 21:27:56 Pacific
Reply:

Hi Rimfire,

Good point about the PS.

And yes, if it's overloaded and/or failing it may be putting out spikes or ripple which will do other components no good.

Ah, wheere's good 'ol Dave the Snake.

I think we're about due for a manic episode of advanced topics in physics.


If at first you don't succeed, you're about average.

M2


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Response Number 10
Name: Rimfire
Date: February 14, 2006 at 13:37:59 Pacific
Reply:

Hi M2,

He only seems to go off his medication every 6 months or so.


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Response Number 11
Name: jboy
Date: February 14, 2006 at 18:28:34 Pacific
Reply:

I think I'm actually starting to miss his brand of insanity, for their entertainment value, if nothing else.

Beats a great many of the posts I've read lately.

Science is built up with facts, as a house is with stones. But a collection of facts is not more a science than a heap of stones is a home


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Response Number 12
Name: Mav_U
Date: March 8, 2006 at 11:42:00 Pacific
Reply:

Rimfire is that you from Merc's?

Life is but little time "Overclock and burn"!


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Response Number 13
Name: Rimfire
Date: March 8, 2006 at 12:39:30 Pacific
Reply:

No, I'm the real Rimfire. There are a couple of imitators out there. What's Merc's?


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