It sounds to me just like you've been installing windows from the CD instead of the hard drive. That's kind of a noob move. http://www.windowsreinstall.com/ind... There must be something defective in CDROM file extraction but exactly what goes wrong is anybody's guess. When the cab files are expanded from a hard drive source however, things go flawlessly. Lee

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If the crashes started after the MS updates--which is often the complaint--then either don't do the updates or do them one at a time. That way you may be able to find which one is the prolblem.

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RVMan, I don't know where you are getting the Win98 updates but I recommend that you never allow MSoft to provide ANY hardware updates.

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RVMan, here once again, only this time I’m on my XP Computer! Just wanted to let you all know that during my 4th fresh re-install on my old Windows 98SE, everything was going great, but about half way through of installing all of my programs, I started receiving that same Windows Explorer Error, Windows Explorer as preformed an invalided page error in a module unknown!!! And while I was so hoping that by installing everything on all the current drivers as Othehill had advised me of and that being my motherboard, along will all my other hardware drivers, that is was going do it for me!!! And while doing back-ups via of “Regedit” during this fresh new install, and exporting my registers to back-up files along the way!!! What I found very, very interesting was, once Windows Explorer CRASHED!!! Didn’t matter what file I selected from the “Regedit” to restore from, it never would correct the Windows Explorer Error!!, Even though Windows Explorer was working fine when I exported the registers!!! Very, Very INTERESTING!!! But thanks to “melee4” for His Great Advise half way through my 4th fresh re-install in the year 2008 and that just came in at the right time!!! And He was so right, for I was just inserting a floppy disk that said, “Inset this Boot Disk in drive A:” and following the instructions on the screen, that came with my computer OH, so many years ago!!! And then screen told me to put my Windows Setup CD in my CD Drive and then click on the “OK” Button! But “melee4” idea of installing form drive “C” made a lot of since to me so the first thing I did was to create a system start up disk, and then I copied Xcopy.exe from “C:\Windows\Command” along with Xcopy32.exe and Xcopy.mod to that new floppy disk!, So after starting up my computer, via this new floppy disk, I would be able to copy the files on my Windows 98SE Setup CD to my drive C:. I then did a re-start, with that same floppy disk still in drive A: and when booting up, I then selected, #1 (Boot Up With CD Rom Support). When I got to the A: prompt, I had notice that support files were copied to drive “D”!!!! “D” Drive being only in memory, not your real “D” drive, which is where support files are written to! I then changed to drive “D” and typed in Format C: once again! When the formatting of drive C: was all said and done, I then logged into Drive A:, and I then typed in XCOPY E:\ C:\ /S /E, with my original Windows 98 Setup CD in my CD Drive E:, this copied everything that was on my Original Windows98SE CD that was in CD drive E: to my hard Drive C: that was just reformatted! (The /S is for sub directories and the /E are to include empty directories) Yes I know, I may not have had to copy everything, but my hopes are after I have Win98SE up and running correctly with everything installed, I will be able to burn a NEW CD now that it was copied by DOS to drive “C”!!! I then switched to my C: drive and did a Dir of it and saw 5 directories and 4 files, one of them being autorun.inf, well guessing that drive “C” doesn’t need to know about autorun.inf, I deleted it! And then typed in “Setup” OH MY! “melee4” was SO, SO RIGHT!!! While I have run this fresh install routine, OH SO, SO MANY TIMES BEFORE FROM THE CD, installing it from drive “C” was like seeing it for the first time!!!! There were so, so many little things that happened that I had never seen before from installing it from the CD!! With all this said, and with Win98SE installed from my Hard Driver rather from my CD Drive and with all my drivers up-dated!!! Boy I’m so hoping that my 5th fresh install makes it all the way to the end!!!!!! RVMan in California PS: I sure will let you ALL know if THIS does IT, or if it DOESN’T!!!, Please give me a couple of day to find out! Thanks to of all you for your help on this one!!!

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Your soliloquy notwithstanding, there's nothing magical or revealing about installing from the hard drive. It might be recommended if the 98 cd or cdrom is in questionable condition but other than that there's usually no reason to do so. Your original post indicated the problem started after the initial installation, after 'all available downloads' had been installed and after 'all other programs' had been installed. It that's true then it doesn't matter a hill of beans how you do the initial 98 install. The error may be due to bad hardware that the drivers or software can't work with or from the MS updates or corrupted files or with whatever software you added. The best clue is going to be exactly what the PC is doing when the error shows up.

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DAVEINCAPS, RVMan and I are probably not running the best hardware available and that might make the difference between your placing a so-so relevance to the installation from hard drive issue and the more enthusiastic approach RVMan and I take. For example, my machine is actually well known for having impossible DMA issues that fly in the face of all Bus Mastering solutions available. The ONLY way I get to have UDMA is to send my drives a debug script at each and every boot up in my autoexec.bat file. It took several years before that issue got bedded down. I only learned of a different DMA issue a few months ago. If my IDE drives are not doing DMA properly, it's no wonder the CDROM drive can't do very well either and that's where the errors creep in. Buggy and flaky Windows have to be experianced first hand to be truly feared and believed in. Just like RVMan, my first time installing from the hard drive was almost a religious experiance, that's why I recognized his true problem so easily. It sometimes took me as much as a week of running before I could say yea or nay to a particular Windows installation, it honestly took that long before all the little broken things begin to pile up into an unworkable situation and only then I knew I had to "stomp" it back down and start all over. RVMan, don't forget that you can install IE from the hard drive too. Java, MediaPlayer, you get the point, the bigger they are - the better they work out. Lee

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RVMan One thing you can try that MAY confirm or fix errors in reading the original CD is this. Make a copy of the CD using the verify files option in your burning program. That way, if a file can't be read correctly at least you will know about it and sometimes the file can be repaired in this manner. On a side note, I ALWAYS burn a copy of any software when I first get it. Then I install using the copy. That way I know I have a good copy and I always have a good original. I had an occasion where a student version of WinXP pro would not copy correctly. Eventually, newegg had to replace the CD. Had I attempted to install directly I would not have known the disk was defective and could have had problems without knowing where they were coming from.

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I don't recall ever having a problem installing 98 from CD as long as the hardware was good. That was mostly with P-I's and P-II's. But even with the occasional P-III or P-IV it went OK. Sometimes IDE driver updates would be difficult if the native 98 drivers forced compatibility mode and the cdrom wasn't recognized. But once all the drivers were installed the systems would work fine. I did come across this in reference to a thread several years ago: http://www.landmark.org/sis-fix.html That particular board is a socket 7 and not in play here. I just point it out to show on rare occasions the initial install can be tricky. If you do a fresh install and everything runs OK and only starts giving errors after a particular update or software it's only logical to assume the errors are due to the change and not 98 itself. And I would guess that 99% of the time that assumption would be correct. I just don't see how an error popping up after updates and software are added can be traced back to how 98 was installed. RVMan hasn't posted back on exactly when he gets the error. I still think that would be the most helpful thing to know at this point.

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Hey, RVMan here once again, this time on my freshly new installed Win98SE Computer. And I happy to report that the fresh install from my Hard Drive C went flawlessly!!! Everything installed with no problems and Windows Explorer worked every time I called upon it to copy, rename or delete a file through out installing all my programs again!!! And it was so, so nice when everything was installed and working the way it should and I networked my old Win98SE computer to my XP computer and via Windows Explorer copied some support/data file from my XP computer to my Win98SE computer both from XP Drive C to Win98SE Drive C and some of XP My Documents to my Win98SE computer My Documents, along with all my photo’s and music files. And Windows Explorer copied everything without one error!!! I tuned in last night thinking that I finally solved this problem!!!! However, I’m sorry to report to YOU ALL, but when I booted up my freshly new installed Win98SE computer that was working OH SO Well LAST NIGHT, and just while browsing with Windows Explorer on my Win98SE, I got that same old fault error from Windows Explorer and that being that it as caused an invalid page fault in module <unknown>. So I shut down and re-booted and then opened up Windows Explorer, first trying to copy a file, it failed!!!! Tried to rename a file, it failed!!! Now while I do enjoy a GOOD computer challenge, this one as gotten the better part of me!!! And while I OH SO DO appreciate ALL OF YOU for taking your time to post OH so many different things to try, for I had run out of what to try to do next, It looks like I’m just going to have to live with this one!!! And while this is only a secondary computer for me at my weekend cabin by the lake, at least I can check my e-mails and surf the Net!!! I was just so hoping that I could solve this problem!!! And while I see that there were a couple more replies to my problem during my new install, I will be following those up to see if this shades any to new light on the problem that I’m have with Windows Explorer still after a fresh re-install in the Year 2008!!! Thanking You All Once Again For Trying To Help Me With This Problem, RVMan in California

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A couple of questions. First, is your Win98 CD an original or copy? Do you know the source? The errors you are experiencing can be caused by many things. One of the causes is the Explorer.exe file is a Win95 version of the file. I asked the above questions because of that point, which is from a MSoft KB article. The Win98se version of Explorer.exe should be dated April 23,1999 and be 176KB (180,224bytes). File version 4.72.3110.1 I would also suggest running memtest86 from a floppy. No errors are acceptable.

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You might want to post back the motherboard model number or the Premio model number. Also, what's your hard drive model number? Run scandisk and see if it finds any problems. Download and install 273017USA8.exe (IDE hard drive cache package). It's not on microsoft's site anymore. You can get it here: http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm... It fixes the problem caused when some PC's shut down before the HD cache can be written to the drive. This results in lost and/or corrupted data. If that is the reason for the error then you're already affected and you need to do. . . well you know. . . another fresh install or at least an over-the-top reinstall. Then you'd want to run that update immediately after the new install.

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Good point DAVEINCAPS.

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Hey OtheHill, RVMan Once Again, Thank You so much for trying to help OtheHill, you have been with me since the beginning of my posting, but nothing seems to be solving this problem!!! But to answer you last couple of questions, #1, Yes my Microsoft Windows98SE set up CD is an original that came with my Premio Tower back Oh So Many Years Ago. It has the Microsoft hologram seal on it in the top half of the CD with Microsoft Genuine all across the bottom of it!!! And for your second question, the Windows Explorer that I?m running is Explorer.exe of date 4/23/99 10:22PM with a file size of 176KB in C:\Windows. And for you last suggestion, I just ran Memtest-86 V3.4 again for Chipset VIA PLE133, Pentium III 1103 MHz, L1 Cache 32K 10808 MB/s, L2 Cache 256K 4144 MB/s, Memory 248M 217 MB/s and let it run for 2 hours!!!! Pass 0 ran through ALL (9) TESTS WITH NO ERRORS!! Pass 1 ran through test 4, still with NO ERRORS!!! But I see there is another posting of something that I should try, so I will try that one next and see what happens! Thanks OtheHill, RVMan in California

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Is the CD genuine and not a pirated copy? Does it have any scratches underneath? The error may have something to do with the programs you install (e.g. Acrobat Reader, RealPlayer, etc.). The way to tell is to format and install 98 one more time, then after the first boot to the desktop after the installation, do a file operation without aforehand installing any applications or updates whatsoever to make sure it works without crashing. If all is well, install one of your applications, then try to do another file operation. If all is well that time, install another application. Keep doing this until Windows Explorer crashes. When it crashes, uninstall the last installed program and then try it again. WinSimple Software

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Maybe I'm crazy but it seems to me that your "FRESH" install of Win98 is not the issue (as DAVEINCAPS has pointed out several times). Have you checked "ALL" the programs you are installing for compatibility with Win98? By your own words, it fails when you install other Programs, Windows Updates or connect to your network and copy files from Your XP machine. Is your XP machine Formatted FAT32 or NTSF? Win98SE cannot read NTSF files without 3rd party software. GARBAGE IN=GARBAGE OUT There is nothing to learn from someone who already agrees with you.

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Hey Gang, Sorry for taking so long to get back to you all with this problem, but I went through two more fresh re-installs of Windows 98 and while Windows Explorer kept crashing on me with the same old invalid page fault in module <unknown>!!! And while I did try each and everyone of your suggesting, nothing was helping. And while there is nothing more up setting for me to go through a thread this long on a Help Site and not finding the answer to a problem, I FINALLY DID SOLVE THE PROBLEM, so I wanted to come back and Post what the REAL problem as been all along for me all along!!! To my surprise it was Spyware & Trojans, 66 of them to be exact after a fresh re-install of just 4 days!!!! While I was running Search & Destroy and Dr. Web thinking that this was clearing everything, along with several Register Cleaners, NONE OF THEM WERE FIXING THE PROBLEM!!!! And while I did more and more Google Searching for this problem, everything was saying that it had to be Spyware and/or a Trojan problem!!! One recommendation was to download and run “CounterSpy” for a 15-day trial period!!! Which I did, but as so many programs these days in the year 2008, “CounterSpy” doesn’t run under Windows 98SE any more!!! So I started searching for Spyware programs that would still run under Windows 98SE and while I’m hear only to report how I solved this problem, please be advised I’m in no way prompting the program that solved my problem, but it sure did for me for only $29.95!!! And there are so many Spyware program that still run under Windows 98SE, but the one I chose to go with was Spyware Doctor @ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-d... I new I was on the right track after running Spyware Doctor for the first time and cleaning up 66 problems on a four day old fresh re-install, for the first thing I did was running System Information and then I ran under “Tools”, System File Checker, to make sure that all the system files were still there, and it ran like I have never seen it run before!!! Then I ran “Maintenance Wizard”. Wow, Wow, Wow…..what a big, big difference!!! When I got to the defrag routine it ran like I haven’t seen it run in years!!! It just zipped right thru it while before it was taking 30 to 45 minutes to defrag a 20meg hard drive that was just defragged a few days earlier that was only about half full!!! That’s when I knew I was on the right track!!!! When that was done, I did a copy and paste under Windows Explorer and NO MORE “EXPLORER CAUSED AN INVALID PAGE FAULT IN MODULE <UNKNOWN>!!! It just DID IT!!!! I’m one old happy Windows 98SE Users that got my OLD long time buddy back to running once again in my cabin by the lake!!! And for those of you that have been following this thread from the beginning, when I got back home from the lake, the first thing I did was to drive across town to my buddy’s that I did a fresh re-install a few months ago that was having the same problem, and installed Spyware Doctor, since you get (3) installs with the purchase, and ran it, and his Windows Explorer is now able to copy and paste with out any errors!!! Thank You All for trying to help me, and hoping this answer to this long thread helps others!!! RVMan in California PS: Sorry for being so long winded in my final answer, but I just wanted everyone that might be having this same problem to know how I solved it for Me, and a good friend that trusted me to do a fresh install in the year 2008!!!

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Thanks for posting back. I figured it had to be due to some added software but I didn't think it would be malware. I still use adaware SE personal 1.05 and 1.06 and of course they work with 98. Lavasoft has stopped supporting those versions but I did upload their final defs.ref file here: http://members.driverguide.com/driv... These old adaware versons aren't going to be as good as newer and more comprehensive malware detecters but they're better than nothing.

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Did you reformat before reinstalling? If you don't FULLY format the drive before reinstalling Windows, those nasties might remain even after you reinstall. Glad you got it fixed! WinSimple Software

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