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I have just installed Win 98SE over Win98 so that I can install a USB 2.0 card. (I renamed win.com to win.old so I could install Win98SE over Win98).
I now have several problems with the system;
-Windows does not recognise the USB card (VIA brand). Also when I try to install the VIA driver it goes through the install sequence but it only creates an empty folder. The USB doesn't even show up on the device manager. Could it be possible that I deleted this when I had problems in Win98, and somehow it hasn't reloaded with Win98SE?- Win98SE won't shut down, it stops at the "windows is shutting down" screen.
- I still have this problem I had with Win98- When it boots up I get the error "packing vmm32.vxd, library invalid or wrong version", and when shutting down "msgsrv32 illegal operation"
Can anybody help?
David
G'day Davidr,
I'm no computer expert, But I think I would back up anything I needed like drivers, doc's, fav's, e-mail contacts, MP3s, pictures, downloaded programs etc and do a fresh install to make sure all the junk was removed.
Then add the backed up material in small doses and check that boot and shutdown work ok.
Avagoodweeked.....
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The following quote is from this FAQ:
http://www.everythingusb.com/usb2/faq.htm
"The software company is considering USB 2.0 support for Windows ME, but it already has decided not to bring USB 2.0 to Windows 98 and Windows 98 SE. If you have Windows 98, you will have to rely on 3rd party USB 2.0 support from USB card manufacturer."
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SE has some shutdown problems. Do a google search for 4756US8.EXE. Download and install that file. It's the most common repair. However it doesn't always fix the problem. It's not likely this is related to your USB problem.
In device manager, does anything show up accompanied by a yellow ? or ! Is so that may be the USB card.
When you installed 98 SE it defaulted to installing in windows.000. Did you change that back to just 'windows'? I wonder if that's related to the vmm32.vxd error. You may need to do another over the top installation and make sure you choose to use 'windows' as the directory.
If you do that I'd recommend you delete or rename vmm32.vxd (make sure you do that in the original windows directory) so the installation will rebuild it.
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The "Windows.000" problem? That symptom only occurs when you're installing Windows 98 SE over another Windows 98 SE installation, and when that symptom occurs, Windows 98 Setup won't let you change it to "C:\WINDOWS". The only solution is to reformat the HDD.
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I've done dozens of over the top installations with a full version SE disk (SE over 95, SE over FE and SE over SE) and the setup has always defaulted to windows.000 as the installation directory with the option to change that designation.
Possibly an upgrade cd would not give that option since it already 'knows' the existing windows directory is the correct one. Could that be what you're thinking of?
My observations were from using an OEM disk but I imagine a retail disk would be the same.
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When I installed I made sure I changed the directory to "windows".
I will try renaming vmm32.vsd and install it again.In the device driver nothing at all shows up for USB devices, USB isn't even listed. Should I delete the windows drivers before I reinstall so it can rebuild them? If so, does anyone know what files am I looking for?
Thanks guys
Davidr
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If you can uninstall whatever you've installed concerning the USB card, that would be best. Then remove the card and do the windows installation. After it's done install the card and drivers as recommended in the instructions. Sometimes they want you to install the drivers before inserting the card and sometimes afterwards.
If you have any further problems, sometimes using a different PCI slot helps.
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The VIA USB software only managed to install empty directories.
I will remove the card, delete the files, install windows again and see what happens...
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DAVE
Just curious. When I'v overlayed W98SE on my W98SE using a full OEM CD it has always defaulted to c:\windows (asking me to click button if I want it anywhere else).
Derek.W
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I always boot from a bootdisk and start the installation as if it were a fresh one. The default I get to 'windows.000' could only be because the installation process has seen there's already a 'windows' folder.
Are you doing the reinstallation from within a windows session? I didn't think that was possible with a full version but I've never tried it. But that's the only way I can think of for our experiences being different.
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Yeah, I know an upgrade disk automatically installs to 'windows' (or at least the current windows directory). But I've never tried doing an over-the-top reinstall with a full version from within windows.
I know that inserting an SE full version cd during a FE windows session will give a message asking if you want to upgrade to SE. But if you go ahead and try that you get the message about already having an OS and to use an upgrade disk. But maybe if you rename win.com it'll go ahead and install from within windows. I've just never tried it.
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Dave
My# 11, your #12
I do it using a boot floppy made in Windows then using either the W98CD or my copy of it in c:\win98. Did it quite recently and noted it particularly because I had read so often about Windows.000 being ofered.
Derek.W
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That's an odd one. I use an OEM SE disk for all the over the top installations. The procedure the setup process follows has to be on the installation cd--probably in one of the precopy cab files. I guess our two disks are different. Are you using an OEM or retail disk?
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Although we both have OEM disks I guess they're slightly different. I need to change my over-the-top installation description from will default to windows.000 to may default to windows.000.
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When doing this type of work, it pays to have either Dos 6.2 or Dos 6.22, which three or four floppies can be acquired almost new through eBay.Meanwhile, by means of View, Folder Options, View, set the boxes to reveal hidden files, and then to show file extensions.
When creating a startup floppy, I discovered that the old 6.2 Msdos.sys still works (!). This means that one could rename the existing Msdos.sys within C:\, and then copy in the old one from the A:\ drive.
All of this assumes that you are booting up from the A:\ drive. I also don't use the 6.2 setup. With a little work, it's possible to set up one's own startup Msdos floppy. Then, use the ATTRIB Dos command to reveal the hidden files on the floppy (-H).
Eventually, you can then boot up from the C:\ drive in Msdos mode. Be careful to then be using real config.sys and autoexec.bat files. The current command.com will temporarily display the Windows splash, but then the system reverts to the Msdos command line. This looks quite a bit better to me than MS's startup floppy. Then, more systems programming work can be done.
You can even use the Msdos command DELTREE to remove the WINDOWS folder (sub-directory), except for one or two deep sub-directories that have long file names not recognized by Ms-dos. First, it might pay to temporarily XCOPY over WINDOWS to another name.
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